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Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by scarface74 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:02AM (#23957111)
any government?

Tell that to people who live in China, N. Korea, or any country controlled by a theocracy.

Even in the US some states ban doctors from talking about abortion and/or force doctors to give women seeking an abortion false information.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by searchableguy on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:30AM (#23957288)
China has 1.4 billion people.

Facebook has over 3 billion users.

Gmail has over 2 billion active users. All their products combined probably have more than 3 billion.

US has 350 million people.

By those numbers alone, aren't tech companies more powerful arbitrators?

But that's a bad metric. We should talk about enforcement rather than raw numbers. Government's interest and design won't allow it to censor expressions in the same way that private companies [0] do. Private companies can filter anything and since tech companies are digital, the enforcement itself can scale a lot more than government. Government maintains some sort of appeal system while tech companies don't have to.

Algorithms responsible for gmail filter billions of mails daily probably. Obviously, not all of it can be called censorship as majority of it is spam but anything wrongfully filtered is censorship, no? That's going to be a huge number that can't scale offline in enforcement.

0] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

[1]https://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/email-marketing/2019/05...

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by scarface74 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:37AM (#23957348)
Enforcement offline is hard to scale and limited even for china.

You don’t have to tell 1 billion people in China not to say F%%% China”. You just punish a few and the rest fall in line.

Once you punish a few, the rest self censor.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday July 26, 2020 @04:51PM (#23960083)
Imagine if Facebook or Google started doing this.

"Oh, you're friends with someone who says X? Welp, you must be a Bad User and your posts will receive a lot less visibility and the validation that you desire. But if you were to stop interacting with your Bad Friend, you could become a Good User again."

And oops, "Bad Friend" no longer gets invited to real-life parties because most people still consider FB the most convenient way to organize them and people only rarely remember to forward the invites.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by manicdee on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @12:30AM (#23972284)
It already does work like this with Facebook and Twitter controlling which posts are displayed for you.

The enforcement works better when you aren’t aware of it. Being covert means you don’t protest so loudly.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by searchableguy on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:51AM (#23957457)
Isn't that the same online but with greater enforcement?

It's less severe, sure.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by myself248 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:11PM (#23958936)
Or, if you're China, you force companies to censor their users as a condition of operating in your country.

Bam, your reach has just expanded to 3+ billion people, most of whom aren't even your citizens.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by spacebear on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:28AM (#23957273)
Yes, any government when you account for overall reach. Just because some governments have censored more content to date, doesn’t mean they’re more powerful than the US tech monopolies.

If a link can’t be shared on Facebook, Google, or Twitter, it may as well not exist in most of the world.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by scarface74 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:39AM (#23957357)
Well those governments are “more powerful” because they can jail their citizens and kill them. The threat of death has an amazing ability to keep people quiet.

Heck when you can literally close off entire markets, private corporations censor themselves.

Re:Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth by emiliovesprini on Sunday July 26, 2020 @11:59AM (#23957998)
Okay but replace that with most governments and the point still stands.