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Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @12:18PM (#23950336)
I don’t think Bush meant “setting fires to federal buildings” when he was talking about “freedom” here.
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by armada651 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @12:31PM (#23950449)
Arsonists trying to set fire to a government building is not a reason to suspend people's civil liberties.

That reasoning sounds eerily close to the Reichstag Fire Decree.

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @12:54PM (#23950645)
What do you mean by “suspend civil liberties”?

These people are being detained by people with POLICE written on their vests, charged in front of a magistrate, and released. All the info is on the Portland website of arrests.

https://oregon.staterecords.org/multnomah

What civil liberty has been suspended?

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by WiseWeasel on Saturday July 25, 2020 @01:10PM (#23950765)
A prime example of civil liberty being infringed would be the large number of people being assaulted with chemicals, projectiles, intimidation and old fashioned thuggery in reaction to acts carried out by a different, smaller group of people.
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @02:03PM (#23951201)
The government has the right to disperse crowds attacking a federal building.
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by wbronitsky on Saturday July 25, 2020 @12:58PM (#23950682)
There are videos where we can clearly see these unmarked agents (yes they are unmarked if they have no name or number) attacking and detaining medics without reading them their rights.

Those are the violations of civil liberties we are discussing and this argument throws out.

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @02:02PM (#23951195)
You don’t have to be read your rights when arrested, only prior to questioning.
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by maxerickson on Saturday July 25, 2020 @01:19PM (#23950831)
You've linked a private organization that explicitly disclaims association with any state or local government (right there on the page you've linked to even).
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @02:37PM (#23951416)
It's pulling from public records. Here is the county sheriff's holding records.

http://www.mcso.us/PAID/

You can even see who the arrest agency is and it includes federal agencies. Note that most of them have been released.

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by maxerickson on Saturday July 25, 2020 @02:42PM (#23951452)
How have you evaluated the completeness of the listing?
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @03:17PM (#23951652)
I mean, it’s the county sheriff. Do you have a better source?
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by maxerickson on Saturday July 25, 2020 @03:21PM (#23951675)
No, I haven't evaluated it beyond what I've said here.

But up thread you claim that the people detained and placed in unmarked vehicles are listed there. I was wondering how you had determined that, or if you were assuming it to be true, or what.

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by refurb on Saturday July 25, 2020 @10:40PM (#23953982)
Do a search for “releases in last 7 days”, look through the names and you’ll see that the arresting agency was “DHS” or “US Marshalls” and it will see say “no charges filed, release on X/X/X”.
Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by maxerickson on Sunday July 26, 2020 @10:11AM (#23957151)
Which does not address the question of whether all the people detained and put in unmarked vehicles are listed there.

It just demonstrates that some people detained in Portland have been detained by officers working under those entities.