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Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by jfarmer on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:32PM (#23942194)
If you write several essays about "the way society works" and they consistently resolve to a protagonist who happens to be very much like yourself, you're probably writing about your own mind, not society.
Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by ordinaryradical on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:48PM (#23942414)
It's ironic that he describes social media as an own goal but there isn't the introspection accompanying it that would lead to the obvious point you've made so well.

Everyone in SV wants to be "up and to the right" in every quadrant map of anything. How comforting to simplify life to those terms, to exceptional winners and conventional deadweight. But if society takes your myopic vision and resulting creation and then eats itself and all its democratic institutions, to paraphrase Prinicpal Skinner:

"Am I so out of touch? No, it's the users who are wrong."

Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by jfarmer on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:56PM (#23942520)
Absolutely! You can see it in this thread, even. There are folks excited by the prospect of using the phrase "aggressively non-conformist".

pg is providing memetic ammunition for the very "culture wars" he claims he's trying to sit out. No introspection (or at least no _evidence_ of introspection), exactly as you say.

Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by LordFast on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:55PM (#23942510)
If many people find agreements with a person's notions of conformity, by the evidence of the popularity of their writings, does that make these people conformists, and therefore engenders conformist attitudes towards the author's point of view on non-conformity?

Genuinely pondering.

Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by jfarmer on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:59PM (#23942558)
I think the one-dimension "conformist" / "non-comformist" axis isn't useful.

We all participate in orthodoxies that we're blind to (or at least not fully aware of). The only questions are "Which ones?" and "What are the consequences of our participation?"

In that sense, we're all "conformists".

Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by acpetrov on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:47PM (#23942399)
Society's only protagonist is the individual
Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by jfarmer on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:00PM (#23942581)
Society isn't a story and therefore doesn't have a protagonist.
Re:The Four Quadrants of Conformism by erichocean on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:54PM (#23943203)
Did you just invalidate your own prior comment? Very meta…or maybe your comment was just about your own insecurities, relative to pg?