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Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by read_if_gay_ on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:42AM (#23937886)
Pfizer and Exxon don’t get to decide which hashtags are allowed to be on trending or what stories people should see in their feed.
Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by wwright on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:45AM (#23938324)
You think that Pfizer doesn’t have a whole team dedicated to managing what gets reported on them by TV news and major papers?
Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by marcusverus on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:13AM (#23938537)
Marketing/PR isn't power. The ability to market isn't concentrated in the hands of a few companies.

Meanwhile Twitter can block a trend on a whim. That's very different. That is direct, intentional manipulation of the conversation in the new (private) public square.

Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by aspenmayer on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:38AM (#23938735)
Another good point. Just because a social media megacorp is useful to you doesn’t mean it needs you, or your followers, even if you’re verified. Maybe especially not if you’re verified. They can always verify someone else, and people will follow them instead. Especially if you’re banned from the service. Wait, is deplatformed the PC way to say it now? I’m trying here, folks.

Anyone have a coat? I’m catching a cold from all these http://chillingeffects.com

Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by wwright on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:15AM (#23940465)
Do you think PR teams don't have the ability to block topics on a whim?
Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by read_if_gay_ on Saturday July 25, 2020 @04:49AM (#23947703)
Do you think they do? That's quite a novel conspiracy theory to me. But even if it's true, they obviously don't have as much direct influence as Twitter, Reddit, or newspapers themselves.
Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by aspenmayer on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:01AM (#23937998)
However, their lobbyists in DC will threaten to give the other guy or gal more money than they’ll give their regular congresscritters if they don’t play ball. This is not Schoolhouse Rock. Laws don’t exist. They’re memes that have force of law, and like all memes, laws are subject to mutation and deep frying, as well as appropriation and recontextualization.
Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by throwaway0a5e on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:11AM (#23938066)
>However, their lobbyists in DC will threaten to give the other guy or gal more money than they’ll give their regular congresscritters if they don’t play ball

The difference between being able to censor whatever unilaterally and having to get a legislator to do it for you could not be more massive.

Having to play the lobbying game adds a huge amount of time, expense and outside scrutiny making it much harder to do bad things.

Sure the fact that regulatory capture is possible and doable at a certain scale is bad but it's infinitly better than bigCos being able to act unilaterally.

It's like the difference between the cops being able to kick down your door on a whim and them having to get a warrant and at least look like idiots on the official record and make other people who share no upside condone their stupidity.

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Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by aspenmayer on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:55AM (#23938415)
In Daniel’s/(dang)‘s defense, he’s principled, but the users of HN have the home field advantage in this regard, somehow hoisting the mods by their own petard when flamewars break out. Or are they set intentionally?

HN could benefit from user moderation and meta-moderation like Slashdot has. It’s a breath of fresh air (the implementation, not necessary Slashdot, sorry Slashdot), and I don’t know of any other platform, forum, product, or site that does it like that, but user moderation as an open source project would be a good place to start. Not sure if Slashdot’s source is open or not, now that I mention it. Oh wait, of course it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot#Peer_moderation

https://sourceforge.net/projects/slashcode/

Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by aspenmayer on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:04AM (#23939625)
So Kuro5hin had meta-moderation, but it’s no longer online; so did GameFAQs, but they since stopped it? Slashdot seems to be the only large implementation remaining.

Do these meta-moderation concepts seem like they might be useful in other contexts? Kind of reminds me of oracles and multi-signature digital instruments. Maybe also analogous concepts in AI? I am not in that field. Like a decentralized distributed parity bit hash table? DHT for .sfv? Just spitballing.

> A meta-moderation system was implemented on September 7, 1999, to moderate the moderators [user mods with mod points, and maybe also the paid mods, with unlimited mod points, unclear in context if paid mod or admin actions were themselves subject to meta-mod] and help contain abuses in the moderation system. Meta-moderators are presented with a set of moderations that they may rate as either fair or unfair. For each moderation, the meta-moderator sees the original comment and the reason assigned by the moderator (e.g. troll, funny), and the meta-moderator can click to see the context of comments surrounding the one that was moderated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot#Peer_moderation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-moderation_system

Re:72% of Americans say social media companies have too much... by fit2rule on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:32AM (#23939976)
Definitely:

> home field advantage

.. with a $1.4 Trillion influence on the tech industry, there will never, for long anyway, be critical articles about the US' military industrial pharmaceutical complex, or Israel, or anything to do with war crimes prosecutions or crimes against humanity committed by the 5-eyes coalition on the front page of HN...

Ensuring that the people who most need to be discussing such issues, don't.