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Re:Who gets invited to the party? by roenxi on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:53AM (#23936849)
I've never heard of NC A&T so I went to Wikipedia [0] and learned their average undergrad SAT on intake is ~1,000. Average SAT at Duke is something like 1,500.

One of those is top 5%, the other is sub-50%. It seems a stretch to say the biggest problem the NC A&T group faced was not being invited to the right parties.

SAT isn't the be-all and end all, but those difference are far too large to be brushed aside. It is not at all obvious that race is the major factor here.

There is a case here that the recruiters were being realistic; the smart black candidates would presumably be working to get into some university other than NC A&T. The CS program entrants would need to look like legitimate geniuses compared to the average to qualify for red carpet treatment.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Agricultural_an...

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by firepoet on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:28AM (#23938169)
You might find this article on racial and gender bias in the SAT/ACT interesting. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2019/12/11/lawsuit-...
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bluedevil2k on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:55AM (#23938859)
Are you claiming that the 50% difference in SAT scores is solely due to a biased test? That seems a little outlandish of a claim.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by roenxi on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:08AM (#23938988)
He didn't make any claim of any sort. He proffered an interesting article.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Simon_says on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:34AM (#23939266)
Wow! I read a 1,000-word article on the claim that "SAT And ACT Are Biased" and nary a word on how, why, or even THAT the claim is true.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by wastedhours on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:18AM (#23938576)
Actually, that's how lots of graduate recruitment is moving to, looking at those contextual elements now (such as value add, and performing better compared to relative median).

Sometimes this means that someone graduating from a university with a decent degree when the average intake grades were comparatively low shows they are and are capable of outperforming to a greater extent. They don't have to evidence themselves as legitimate geniuses, just that they have the capacity to develop faster.

Obviously it then comes down to bias about whether the university is just scoring people higher, but that's a whole different ballgame.

Brand name universities still get the preferential treatment though, often because they have more developed alumni links with the hiring companies.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by akhilcacharya on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:48AM (#23938802)
I'm sorry, but I didn't get into Duke as a 17 year old. Does that mean my career prospects are shot for good, and that "Hooli-esque" companies shouldn't recruit me?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by taude on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:01AM (#23939586)
I'd say the software engineering side of things are a bit different, the interview process and testing "is the gatekeeping". It might impact your ability to climb the ladder when you're competing for Sr Manager positions with a bunch of MIT/Standford/Harvard/etc type of graduates, depending on where you live....

...but by then, you'd have crushed your early career and gone off and gotten a prestigious Master's Degree, or founded your own company and sold it to one of the bigger fish, earning your way into Sr Leadership...