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Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by dmix on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:48AM (#23935833)
I've been very vocal against mass surveillance, mostly with the argument that the court warrant system is entirely sufficient for police to do their jobs.

One important thing about warrants and subpoenas is that they are often limited to strictly collecting data related to a specific investigation - not a fishing expedition.

> The judge placed some limits on the subpoena. He said police could use the images to identify suspects only in the arson and gun theft investigations. Detectives could not use the photos or video to pursue suspects in vandalism or other lesser crimes — even if police found such evidence.

> The subpoena would also be limited to professional camera equipment and would exclude reporters’ cell phone photos and videos.

This seems to fit the criteria - especially since police firearms were stolen.

The only red flag is that they are asking 5x different news organization to hand over journalist's raw recordings. I'd be highly skeptical of this subpoena if I was a judge - unless they could prove the journalists were likely the only ones at the time recording the incident, that they know were present, and it didn't apply to material involved in any specific reporting. Broad footage taken at a public event is always less concerning and less protected.

But at the same time tons of people are recording protests besides journalists and it might just be laziness on the police's part. Although that said, sometimes rioters intimidate people trying to film crimes being committed (as seen here: https://old.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/hu9l...). And the police claim "the department was at a dead end in its investigations." So I'm not sure much outrage is warranted here, but I'd still probably lean on the safe side.

Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by defnotashton2 on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:24AM (#23936012)
Well that and what kind of visibility and process and oversight do we have into this process that the police will truly stay within the judges confinements.

I mean let's be honest. They are going to feed it into facial recognition, identify their targets and then gather whatever additional evidence. They could then potentially present a new case with evidence external to the data collection and construct a narrative around that.

I think it's slippery.

Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by cm2187 on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:07AM (#23936602)
A case against someone peacefully demonstrating? How so?
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by mr_overalls on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:52AM (#23940183)
If you trawl in someone's activities and background long enough, you can usually find something to charge them with. It's a favorite tactic of repressive regimes that seek to present veneer of legitimacy.
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by Fjolsvith on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:31AM (#23939231)
Exactly. If you are not committing a crime, what do you have to worry about?
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by atomi on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:08AM (#23939674)
Apparently a whole lot when it comes to a corrupt federal police force - from made up charges to family being targeted. The list goes on.
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by defnotashton2 on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:30AM (#23940650)
I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic with this comment?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by 1996 on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:58AM (#23936260)
You are downvoted, but unfortunately I think you are right.

Parallel reconstruction has been documented. There is a risk what you say will happen.

Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by Xelbair on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:54AM (#23936856)
The thing is that police is widely known to use parallel construction.
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by jacquesm on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:48AM (#23936514)
What happens once they have the footage is anybody's guess. So even if they receive it with restrictions the only thing that matters is whether they receive it or not.
Re:Judge rules Seattle media companies must hand over protes... by blue52 on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:49AM (#23938360)
"The judge placed some limits on the subpoena. He said police could use the images to identify suspects only in the arson and gun theft investigations. Detectives could not use the photos or video to pursue suspects in vandalism or other lesser crimes — even if police found such evidence."

Do you, in good faith, honestly believe the police won't attempt to use the evidence for any and all means they deem necessary?

It's like the leaks that came out not too long ago, how even the FBI was querying NSA databases when they suspected someone of being a criminal.... I don't even need to say more to demonstrate how abusive the "law enforcement" (blackmail) system is.