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Re:Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of R... by antepodius on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:19PM (#23929695)
>they're almost identical to everyone else's

Do you really believe this argument? It seems like a strange one to make. Our genes are almost entirely identical, so why worry about diversity, then?

Besides, people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

Re:Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of R... by andyjohnson0 on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:21AM (#23937045)
> so why worry about diversity, then

Of course I'm concerned about that. Lack of diversity and the discrimination that goes with it causes real harm to real people.

> Besides, people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

So. Why should I care about that? If these people want to hold that view then that's up to them. What am I supposed to do: try to compete with them?

Whats the issue here?

Re:Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of R... by jagrsw on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:58PM (#23930173)
> people like you will, all else being equal, surely get outbred by people who do care about their progeny. So why worry? The tendency to hold your point of view will wipe itself out...

That could be true (though, atheism is on the rise, despite religious people having more children than non-believers on avg). But it's also orthogonal to the question at hand. Existence or non-existence of proponents of a given POV at a given point it time doesn't say much about the validity of the POV itself.

Re:Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of R... by antepodius on Thursday July 23, 2020 @06:01PM (#23932911)
The POV's perfectly valid, because it's a set of values, which can't really be invalid per se.

But if I had the chance to pick my own values, I wouldn't want to have ones that were antimemetic.