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Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by jojobas on Thursday July 23, 2020 @09:51AM (#23927349)
The people advocating to release ~1 million violent criminals are least likely to suffer at their hands. Hand on heart, nobody wants to leave next to a convicted murderer or drug dealer.

Mass incarceration is a symptom, abolishing it is not a cure.

Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by danso on Thursday July 23, 2020 @10:09AM (#23927518)
Where in the article is the release of ~1 million violent criminals advocated? The story's focus is on California:

> Newsom and the CDCR are prioritizing the 4,800 people who are within 180 days of finishing their sentences for the first round of rolling releases by the end of July, and then those with a year or less left to serve who are living in high-risk prisons like San Quentin. People in jail for violent offenses and perpetrators of domestic abuse are not eligible for release.

Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by 9nGQluzmnq3M on Thursday July 23, 2020 @10:08AM (#23927506)
This study by the NYU School of Law figures that 4 in 10 (!) US prisoners are either non-violent or have already completed long sentences, and can be set free with minimal risk.

https://time.com/4596081/incarceration-report/

That said, I agree that reforming drug policy in particular would also be a great way to reduce mass incarceration.

Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by Sharlin on Thursday July 23, 2020 @10:07AM (#23927496)
Drug dealer? Seriously? You mean those people who happened to sell a couple joints worth of marijuana to a friend while black? Or those who just happened to possess a bit too much to be considered "for personal use"?
Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by Cthulhu_ on Thursday July 23, 2020 @10:11AM (#23927530)
Both you and the grandparent are making sweeping generalizations; as with everything, there's various gradations in a crime and it's not a boolean equation.

That said, I do agree that there's a large amount of people in prison that shouldn't be there, and the US prison system ensures people stay or return to prison later on.

Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by Sharlin on Thursday July 23, 2020 @10:23AM (#23927639)
I should probably have been clearer, but that was my point--the fact that "drug dealer" is too broad a concept. Even though some dealers are definitely career criminals, and some might also commit violent crimes, lumping a large majority of them in the same category as murderers is what got you (and other countries to varying degrees) into the whole mess in the first place. It is rhetoric only meant to scare people and shut down thinking.
Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by leetcrew on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:47PM (#23930043)
you're right, the range of situations that can be considered "selling drugs" is pretty absurd. for instance, if a bunch of kids pool their money to get a better deal on a larger amount, the one who actually makes the buy and splits it up can be charged with distribution even if they don't make any money off the transaction.

that said, I don't think most people who aren't a part of that world would want to live next to an actual dealer. in some ways the "retail" folks can be the worst to live near. if they sell out of their home, it brings a lot of undesirable traffic to the area.

Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by thephyber on Thursday July 23, 2020 @07:45PM (#23934064)
> Mass incarceration is a symptom, abolishing it is not a cure.

"Let's not let the cure be worse than the disease".

The issue is not nearly as cut and dry as you express. Not all prisoners are violent criminals. Even violent criminals get released at the end of their sentence.

Mass incarceration is an efficient stick when the better solution is an effective carrot.

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Re:The Imprisoner’s Dilemma by suryabeep on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:09PM (#23928852)
I agree with the sentiment of your comment but let's please keep the discussion civil here on HN and refrain from personal attacks like "you have a bright future as a republican spin doctor".