Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by Mvandenbergh on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:39PM
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Mining trucks are easily electrified. Long distance transport is the challenge.
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Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by giantrobot on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:25PM
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Trains would like to have a word.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by ogre_codes on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @03:18PM
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With 10s of thousands of miles of lines, it would be pretty monumental to electrify the entire US train system. Considering how efficient modern diesel trains are, That should be pretty low on our list of things to convert.
Nuclear trains might make sense with some of the newer reactors... but we know that'll never happen.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by a3n on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @06:05PM
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> Nuclear trains might make sense
Modern steam engines!
But I guess they'd have to construct a lot of water stations. The stops to take on water might negate some of the advantages.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by giantrobot on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:10PM
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Diesel trains are already electric. Their drive motors are electric with big Diesel generators on top. Their efficiency is due to their hybrid nature.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by Mvandenbergh on Thursday July 23, 2020 @09:59AM
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True although even in Europe where almost all mainlines are electrified, many freight trains are diesel-electric. That's because often the the plant loading docks etc. aren't electrified.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by bluGill on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:35PM
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Most freight is carried by diesel trains. While it is possible to use electric engines, the ecconmics don't work out and so only a minority of freight is on electric trains.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by Beatus on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:52PM
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Are you talking about the world or the US? Living in europe, I‘ve never seen a diesel train and the economics are just fine for electric trains.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @03:03PM
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There are diesel trains in Europe. They tend to be more on branch lines, though, with the main trunks being electric. (Electrifying every branch is not economic.)
In the US, it could still be done (and has), but the economics are not as compelling because the price of diesel is lower.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by bluGill on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @08:18AM
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I'm told that the big railroads in the US have a plan to electrify their main line. It remains a plan because the costs are more high enough that it isn't worth it. If they decide fuel costs will go up by enough they will dust off the plan and electrify.
Re:With oil cheap, Arab states cannot balance their books
by giantrobot on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:04PM
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Diesel-electric trains. They're basically Diesel generators with electric drive motors.