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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by refurb on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:00AM (#23904413)
It's unbelievable how disconnected that article is to reality.

1. Cops pull over people and arrest them all the time using unmarked cars - why is it an issue now?

2. The cops are identified as such (that's the badge on the shoulder). Undercover cops can arrest people too - why is it any issue?

3. These people are being arrested and released - doesn't sound like kidnapping to me. Sounds like law enforcement doing their job.

But hey, the never let the truth get in the way of your political goals, right?

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by onion2k on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:27AM (#23904510)
These people are being arrested and released - doesn't sound like kidnapping to me. Sounds like law enforcement doing their job.

People are arrested and released because they haven't committed a crime. Arresting people who haven't done anything wrong is not the job of the police.

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by refurb on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:48AM (#23904593)
Haven't done anything wrong? It's all public info.[1]

The Portland Police are arresting people for disturbing the peace. So are the federal police, the only difference is the people they are arresting are being release because the Portland DA chooses not to press charges.

It's all political. I don't know about you, but I'd be more concerned about the Portland justice system being perverted just to stick it to Trump.

[1]https://www.mcso.us/PAID/Home/Booking/1506008/1517573

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by x86_64Ubuntu on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:09AM (#23904679)
Just because in the US we slap the catch-all "Disturbing the peace" charge on folks doesn't mean it's much better than the Chinese.
Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by brigandish on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @03:24AM (#23904981)
Disturbing the peace comes from the Anglo-Saxon common law breach of the (King’s) peace[1]. Certainly, it’s a very broad law that I have seen overused and abused by British police (as another disturbing example of police acting badly) but you’ll need a more specific complaint for it or its application to be used in the same breath as the behaviour of China’s government towards its citizens.

People arrested for disturbing the peace in the US won’t disappear or end up in a re-education camp where their organs may be harvested.[2] Hong Kongers are certainly fighting for the right to remain under common law, there’s a clear difference in theory and practice.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_(law)

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-china-rights-idUS...

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by Mary-Jane on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:27AM (#23904754)
This. While it's sad that we wait till we can pin these activities on the other party, it's good to see us finally acknowledging the problem. I almost hope Trump wins the next election because if Biden does we'll all go back to ignoring these kinds of problems.
Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by kmonsen on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @03:31AM (#23905010)
I think if trump wins the next election is unlikely we will have any more meaningful elections.
Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by onion2k on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:47AM (#23904817)
If they'd committed whatever crime 'disturbing the peace' is then they would be charged with that, not released. The fact they were released without charge is evidence enough that they shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

I don't think people are trying to stick it to Trump. People have been angry about police brutality and police killing black civilians for a long time. The LA riots were 30 years ago, and things haven't really changed that much since then - there are still cases of the police killing people with far too much regularity. This is a political issue, but it's one that crosses party boundaries. People are only really angry about Trump because he's in office at the moment; if it was a different president they'd be angry at him.

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by thu2111 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @04:10AM (#23905165)
The guy you're replying to states flat out that (he believes) the police are correct, and the Portland DA is refusing to press charges for political reasons unrelated to whether any crime actually took place.

In effect, he's arguing that rioting has been decriminalised in Portland without any popular vote and without any explicit decision ever having been made. If that's true it's unsurprising the police keep arresting people and they keep being released. The issue there wouldn't be the police. If Portland wants riots to be legal when the rioters support leftist causes, they should explicitly adjust the local laws to allow it.

That said, the link they provide states the guy was released "on own recognizance" which basically means he promised to turn up in court at a future date, albeit with no bail money paid. So it doesn't say charges were dropped.

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by ianleeclark on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:51AM (#23904830)
> 1. Cops pull over people and arrest them all the time using unmarked cars - why is it an issue now?

Well, the entire context. The first is that they are barely marked, you mention this in point #2, but a badge that just says "police" with no further identification or badge number is basically anonymity. How do you report abuse in this situation?

In addition to this, you have a historical precedent where right wing groups have gone on patrols through the streets of Portland to beat up non-binary folks and where they've stopped to beat up people for flicking them off when they drive through with a trump flag. I gotta ask, who is stupid enough to not entertain the thought this is just another escalation? Especially in the moment.

Thirdly they're actively telling people that, if they're followed, they'll shoot them. That's pretty low in the accountability standards.

> 3. These people are being arrested and released - doesn't sound like kidnapping to me. Sounds like law enforcement doing their job.

Kidnapping doesn't entail being kept indefinitely, it means being whisked off the street at the threat of violence into a stranger's vehicle.

Every other time in history, this has been bad, but this is the one outlier, right? That's pretty convenient.

Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by kmonsen on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @03:30AM (#23905007)
How do you know if you are arrested by an unmarked cop or kidnapped by for example a right wing militia member? If something illegal happened, how would you go to court for justice with unmarked law enforcement?
Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by orbifold on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @04:43AM (#23905297)
It’s a felony to pretend to be a cop, so there is that.