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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by fearingreprisal on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:38PM (#23903875)
There is a very clear difference between "Arrested for disagreeing with Donald Trump" and "Arrested for participation in an illegal act". You know what the difference is. Everyone knows China's crackdown on dissidents is entirely different from people participating in the riot getting arrested by Federal agents in unmarked cars.
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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by sudosysgen on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:41PM (#23903888)
How do you know that they were participating in a riot?

By the way, in Oregon, Federal agents are not allowed to carry out such actions without registering beforehand with the State. So this was literally an illegal arrest made by agents of a completely unrelated agency being used in order to do what Donald Trump wants instead of following the process of the law.

China's crackdown on dissidents is very similar, they also use the tactic where they push peaceful protests into riots and then use that as an excuse to arrest everyone.

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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by grandmczeb on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:21PM (#23904068)
Federal agents can enforce federal law anywhere in the US. They don’t need the state’s permission to, for example, arrest someone for vandalizing a federal courthouse. What you’re referring to is federal agents enforcing state law, which is also allowed but requires registration in Oregon[1].

That’s not a defense of the current situation; we should be putting more limits on what federal agents can do (like requiring them to identify themselves during an arrest).

[1] https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-heck-are-federal-law-enforc...

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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by sudosysgen on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:49PM (#23904192)
Yes. Federal crimes. Rioting, unless it is specifically vandalism on a federal building, is not enforceable by Federal agents, because it isn't a federal crime.

When I'll see the warrant signed by a federal judge against these people for a federal crime with probable cause, then maybe. But so far, no one was served with a warrant.

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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by grandmczeb on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:11AM (#23904277)
Federal officers can make warrantless arrests if they have probable cause to believe the individual has committed a crime, just like normal officers. It's hard to tell if these arrests meet that threshold, but it's at least possible that all laws are technically being following here.

Again, that's not to say this isn't a bad situation. I'm explicitly advocating for changing the laws that allow this to be even possibly legal in the first place.

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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by sudosysgen on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @09:47AM (#23906736)
Sure, if they had probable cause. Do you think that those federal agents just witnessed that a federal crime was committed?
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Re:The FBI is secretly using Sabre as a global travel survei... by grandmczeb on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:52PM (#23909085)
In the video I’ve seen, there’s not enough context to tell whether they have probable cause. Which by the way does not require that they “just witnessed that a federal crime was committed”.
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