Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of visa ban

Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by dmurray on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:31PM (#23883604)

This comparison isn't right.

Most UK doctors will be doing further training after the foundation programme, pretty similarly to the US residency scheme. For example, it takes 3 more years training in the GP scheme to become a GP (family doctor) [0]. Other specialities can take longer.

The British doctors will have spent a year longer hanging around hospitals by the time they are qualified to hang up their own shingle, but the overall timeline is pretty close.

Edit: also, you get paid, both as a trainee doctor in the UK and as a resident in the US.

[0] https://www.ucas.com/ucas/after-gcses/find-career-ideas/expl...

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by flowerlad on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:08PM (#23883934)

A UK medical student starts earning a salary after 5 years of medical school [0]. An American medical student starts earning a salary after 8 years (4 years undergrad + 4 years of med school). Not to mention huge difference in tuition.

[0] https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/general-practice-do...

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by alistairSH on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:45PM (#23883746)

But for those 3 years, the UK doctor (in training) is seeing patients and being paid (stipend or smaller wages)? From the MD’s perspective, the timeline may be similar, but for society, those doctors in training are available to supplant fully qualified MDs (vs the US, where they’re sitting in a classroom).

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by mech422 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:46PM (#23884698)

I'm sorry...but "doctors in training" who "supplant _fully qualified_ MD" sounds like a step down to me?'

Hell, I generally prefer an MD to a PA...

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by alistairSH on Sunday July 19, 2020 @06:54PM (#23893126)

Curious... did you have a bad experience with a PA (or NP)?

I haven't seen an MD for family medicine stuff (physicals, flu, travel inoculations, etc) in at least a decade. The PAs are easier to schedule and for those tasks, seem more than competent.

With specialists, it's been 50-50. Check-ups have been with PAs (or NPs), with intervention by the MD when required.

Same for my wife.

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by pmiller2 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:49PM (#23884727)

I think “supplant” was an autocorrect typo for “supplement.”

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by mech422 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @07:28PM (#23885687)

ahh... that could be

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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by alistairSH on Sunday July 19, 2020 @06:50PM (#23893105)

lol. Yup. Autocorrect - either my brain or my Mac, not sure which.

Supplement, not supplant. Like PAs, but on the path to being fully qualified MDs.

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