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Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by arcticbull on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:30PM (#23883014)
> These aren't wasted years, for the majority of medical students.

They aren't wasted but they're not necessary either, and I think that was the point. Let's say I wanted to become a general contractor, but for some reason that's a graduate program. I spend 4 years taking civil engineering. Did I waste my time learning about concrete... no, probably not, but it is necessary to do my job? Also no.

It's also hard to equate your "stronger early focus on STEM" with a pre-med program. If all it takes is teaching biology and math a little earlier, is that 4 years really the best use of time?

Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by senortumnus on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:39PM (#23883103)
I place enormous value on my undergrad training in chemistry before going on to med school. Impossible to prove but I do think the deeper your foundation in life sciences the better your ability to adapt to new medicines, procedures, & other advances in medicine. Speaking as a urologist.

Edit: the pre med prereqs are a good start. But I value the skills & concepts from the senior level bio/chem classes that I wouldn’t have gotten with a 6 yr track. Something also to be said for the emotional maturity that comes with 4 yrs prior to med school.

Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by asapatient on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:52PM (#23883806)
"Impossible to prove..." sure, but that's tautology outside some very constrained problem domains like mathematics.

The salient question is cost/benefit. What is the cost in terms of lives and resources of those extra years? Do sufficient benefits obtain?

The US is globally known as a great place to get treated for cancers, especially. 5 year survival rates are relatively high - but of course only a fraction of Americans actually have access to the kind of diagnostics and treatments that deliver these outcomes, and only a smaller fraction of those with said access actually pass on significant assets to their heirs. For most, the medical- and death-industrial complex fulfills its primary extractive purpose.

I find it deeply ironic that your literally academic perspective ("Something also to be said for the emotional maturity that comes with 4 yrs prior to med school") is so utterly subjective - i.e. about your feelings, NOT data around outcomes. In the OECD, people live longer, on average, in places where less time and money is spent educating physicians. Yes, there are confounding factors - but this is true even controlling for the big ones like obesity

Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by renewiltord on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:43PM (#23884211)
Presumably, at a whole society level that would then mean the UK adapts poorer to new procedures than the US. Have you observed things that make you believe that is the case?

Not looking for proof of what you say (you say “impossible to prove” after all, and that’s fair) but surely something makes you believe this.

Re:Hospitals are suddenly short of young doctors because of ... by nradov on Saturday July 18, 2020 @08:42PM (#23886039)
I don't understand your example. A strong knowledge of concrete is necessary to do a good job as a general contractor. I'm pretty sure the licensing exam has some questions about concrete.