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Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by djohnston on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:01AM (#23881435)
There are people in my current workplace demanding that we stop using the term Healthcheck as they perceive it as an affront to disabled people. There is clearly more nuance and ambivalence about the woke crowd than you are admitting.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by smoe on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:48AM (#23881742)
There is more nuance and ambivalence. A lot more.

But I don't think it has much to do with being woke or not. We always had and will always have people that challenge the status quo of society and those that oppose a change.

Change is neither inherently good or bad and not every single initiative, argument and action within an movement is well tough out or helpful.

Event tough better political discourse and less shouting would help, I think in the end it is pretty much unavoidable that at times "the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater"

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Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @11:08AM (#23881877)
People get into acrimonious fights over this nonsense and end up fired (usually the person defending sane reasonableness, not the person demanding crazy, meaningless concessions over everything).

It’s not undramatic at all, it’s exactly the kind of counter example to be most worried about.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by cheesecracker on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:45PM (#23884694)
I know it's tired to invoke the nazis, but think about this: would you work for a company that would offer your dream job, in your dream area of work, with a dream salary, and so on? The only catch would be that you would have to say "hail Hitler" whenever you met one of your coworkers.

It's a small thing. Just two words.

The problem is, they mark you as bowing to nazi ideology.

In the same sense, even seemingly little "wokeness demands" actually are the demand to bow before woke ideology. It's simply unbearable to many people, just as (hopefully) having to say "Hail Hitler" would be unbearable to you.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by eNTi on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:59AM (#23881420)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by drewcoo on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:16AM (#23881520)
I bet more roads to hell are paved with "good intentions" than with good intentions. Now if only we had a way to measure that . . .
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by dingaling on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:49PM (#23884257)
> This is great, a repo of companies that are hiring folks that don't give a shit about what's going on around them!

Or perhaps they do care, but don't think that social or political issues intersect with workplace issues.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by laichzeit0 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:06AM (#23881466)
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

The same quote could be used in reverse. Some of us think this whole woke crap is evil. So yeah, #ImOut.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by drewcoo on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:21AM (#23881551)
So you're saying:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of good men is for "this woke crap" to do nothing.
Now that I see that, I'm pretty sure I disagree.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by cheesecracker on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:24PM (#23884050)
People simply prefer to work for companies that are not evil. That's not "doing nothing", that's voting with their feet.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by J4M4I5M7 on Sunday July 19, 2020 @06:28AM (#23888377)
Didn't google remove "do no evil" after they started investing in killer robots?
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by cheesecracker on Sunday July 19, 2020 @02:56PM (#23891504)
I think they removed that before going on their woke crusade, because they figured it is actually too vague. Different people consider different things evil.

But for individuals, I think it is still an OK choice to make to not work for companies they personally consider evil.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:00AM (#23881422)
If you believe you must use your workplace itself as a sounding board for your ideology, you’re doing a lot more to help evil triumph than the people treating a job as a job.

For example, your coworkers are not obligated to share your moral beliefs, convictions, or political opinions of current events. Making a workplace inherently confrontational in regards to these subjective, private opinions is seriously harmful.

I am 100% for your participation in activism, protests, and social reform. Just don’t bring it to work.

If you think such an attitude is somehow tacitly entrenching the status quo, you need to step back and consider that you, not the other person keeping politics out of work, are being bigoted and narrow-minded towards them, not the other way around.

Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by paullth on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:57AM (#23881410)
Unwoke candidate: "I just want to follow orders"
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by Nihilartikel on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:44AM (#23881709)
https://milgram.hr is gonna be my next bootstrap!
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by cheesecracker on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:25PM (#23884060)
Ironic, as that is exactly what the unwoke people think about the woke people. They see it as an ideology that you have to "take the knee" to, a ka "follow orders", to be accepted into the community.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by paullth on Sunday July 19, 2020 @04:42AM (#23887952)
I think at either extreme its probably true. I don't spend my time signaling on linked in, but I do like to have a "diverse" team. Things just feel more even when you aren't surrounded by the same types, and there is space in that for white people with right wing views
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by VLM on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:06AM (#23881461)
The difference between caring and being woke is shameless self promotion and groupthink denigration of those who do not self promote. There simply are no humble "woke" people, all "woke" are bullies.
Re:Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and n... by dang on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:25PM (#23886523)
Please do not take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. This level of discussion is below the minimum bar here, even when arguing about a topic like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html