Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by mhh__ on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:29PM
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Einstein's special relativity had lots of evidence backing it up in that existing (Galilean) relativity was completely at odds with electromagnetism. The speed of light is constant, Newton was wrong.
In this situation there is no smoking gun to prove it was made in a lab.
Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by contravariant on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:55PM
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I don't disagree but as this article shows you can probably find a few smoking guns if you look hard enough. However this would be evidence to support a theory that on the face of it doesn't seem to be give that good an explanation. Certainly not as good as the natural outbreak of a coronavirus pandemic, which was considered likely enough to fund the lab involved with the supposed creation of the virus. Asking for more smoking guns is not really all that helpful, in my opinion, when the theory itself is still rather shaky.
I guess this still boils down to 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence', but interpreted differently from the way the comment I replied to was using it (which implied that it meant you'd need more proof if you went against the current consensus).
Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by FabHK on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:06PM
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> Einstein's special relativity had lots of evidence backing it up
Yes, it immediately solved several outstanding anomalies. GP should have brought up Einstein’s general relativity as something that had little evidence to back it up initially.
Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by jiofih on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:37PM
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The paper is presenting a handful of smoking guns all at once.
Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by fanimalmanimal on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:51PM
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If you’re an expert in this field and can elaborate, I would love to read more. I’ve read the paper, but as a layman it’s difficult to discern why something is a “smoking gun” vs nature at work.
Re:The evidence which suggests that Covid-19 is not a natura...
by jiofih on Saturday July 18, 2020 @08:23AM
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I’m not an expert. The entire content of the paper is the exposition of a series of four published studies, with Wuhan researchers involved, that took a coronavirus and enhanced its ability to infect the human respiratory system, through the mechanisms we are seeing in action now. They argue that these characteristics are known to be originated in the lab, from these previous papers.
All this is just to illustrate that it's not always easy to prove something right away with large amounts of experimental evidence. However if we consider the 'elegance' of a theory proof then we've abandoned subjectivity. It is a bit of a limitation of experimental science that it cannot determine the prior probability, which therefore must be assessed by evaluating the theory itself, which can only be done by experts, who are fallible.
When little to no experts seem to accept a theory then it's usually a bad sign though.