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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by ve55 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:09PM (#23873584)
Yes, it is controversial for being used as a justification for police brutality and having been involved in a lot of bad incidents. But the existence of it is not controversial, as it is basically a subset of affects of substances such as methamphetamine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Adverse_effect.... Does it need its own specific name and label? perhaps not, and that is part of why some organizations have not officially recognized it
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by NotSammyHagar on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:27PM (#23873784)
It's not accepted as a standard treatment, that's the key. The second key point is it's used as an excuse for violence. Same thing with pray gay away type treatments to convince men they aren't gay. Those are now illegal in many states.

Similar things, bogus classes on checking if you are high - like your eyes move in a certain way, or when driving your tire touches the white line. Cops take these classes and use them for justification. See also, pulling drivers over if they are certain minorities (driving suspiciously).

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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by cat199 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:31PM (#23873820)
there is already amphetamine psychosis, etc.

i think the issue is inventing some quasi-illness which might really be one or several other things, but conveniently describes the exact set of symptoms that can be used to justify use of force (so basically it's a way to dress up 'he was acting crazy' and sound legitimate by calling it an 'illness' when you over react)

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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by ve55 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:40PM (#23873919)
Yes, that would have made for a much better article+title I think. They would also make a better case by mentioning cases where the substances involved do not have such effects (for example, weed) rather than methamphetamine. But with such a poor clickbait title it's too much to expect.
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by jokowueu on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:42PM (#23874620)
The thing is that there are similar substances that are not in the amphetamine class that cause similar effects . Example would be the less common experiences some people get with PCP
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by triceratops on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:19PM (#23873684)
Ok...but that implies these cops may be doing coke and meth on the job, since the article says that those drugs "commonly cause" it. Surely that's an even bigger problem than "excited delirium".

EDIT: I'm an idiot.

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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by ve55 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:26PM (#23873774)
I think you've misunderstood, excited delirium is claimed to be present in the individual the cop is arresting, not in the police themselves. The reason they attempt to justify greater force is in order to protect themselves from someone in such a state. I'm not agreeing with this, just stating what they would say.
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by triceratops on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:28PM (#23873793)
Oops. Completely misread the article. I'll leave my comment up with a note, and wear my shame.
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by ve55 on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:36PM (#23873886)
It happens, appreciate the friendly response
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Re:‘Excited delirium’, used by police to justify brutality, ... by Digit-Al on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:56PM (#23875447)
Have an upvote for your mature response. If more people were willing to own their mistakes instead of hiding or doubling down, the world would be a better place :-)
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