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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by Thorrez on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:12AM (#23867991)
I'm a bit confused how gender presentation can be not a social construct but gender itself can be a social construct. It seems to me that gender presentation depends on gender.
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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by dragonwriter on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:42AM (#23868880)
> I'm a bit confused how gender presentation can be not a social construct

Gender presentation is behavior.

> but gender itself can be a social construct

Gender is socially ascribed status.

> It seems to me that gender presentation depends on gender.

Depending on the basis on which gender is acribed, it could well be the other way around.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by Thorrez on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:03AM (#23879634)
What's the definition of gender presentation?

>Depending on the basis on which gender is acribed, it could well be the other way around.

How is it possible to have a concept of gender presentation without having a concept of gender? The definition of gender presentation to me seems to rely on the fact that there's a thing gender. Whereas you could imagine a world where gender exists but no gender presentation exists. Therefore I believe gender does not depend on gender presentation.

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