Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by floatingatoll on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:39AM (#23867424)

Hermaphrodites invalidate this argument.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by legostormtroopr on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:00AM (#23867539)

This invalidates the argument as much as people with Down Syndrome invalidate the statement "people have 42 chromosomes".

Hermaphrodism is a genetic abnormality, not a normal state of being.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by qtplatypus on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:15AM (#23867645)

1.7% of the population are intersex. 2% of the population are blond.

Are blonds genetic abnormalities? Can I say “No people have blonde hair” and dismiss all the blonds?

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by jlawson on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:54AM (#23868243)

Prevalence of intersex conditions are nowhere near 1.7%. More like one in a thousand or one in ten thousand.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by DanBC on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:21AM (#23868384)

It's quite a complicated question to answer, and it depends how intersex is defined.

https://isna.org/faq/frequency/

> Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births

> Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by qtplatypus on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:14AM (#23868341)

I am going by Blackless‘s research. Even if that figure is wrong Klinefelter syndrome occurs at rate 1-2 per thousand which means that your estimate of one in ten thousand is way out.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by qtplatypus on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:38AM (#23868148)

And in the Dominican Republic intersex people are common. It still misses the point though. You can’t dismiss people because they are a minority.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by tchaffee on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:52AM (#23867871)

You can thank genetic "abnormalities" in part for evolution. Many genetic variations, even those that cause disease, have been later found to give evolutionary advantages. Sickle cell comes to mind.

There is no "normal state of being" and it's dehumanizing to talk that way about people who are simply different from you. Nature is bizarre if you open your eyes and humans as social animals spend a huge amount of effort to appear normal.

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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says by tchaffee on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:27AM (#23868422)

> I guess you couldn't say, right?

Of course I can say. Many people have five fingers and some have fewer and some have more. The second sentence of the Wikipedia article on fingers agrees with me. [1] What was so difficult about that that you thought it would be some kind of gotcha?

> Your view makes it impossible to distinguish anything from anything else. It's just intellectually a dead end if you take it seriously with any consistency.

I think I've already demonstrated that you're wrong, but feel free to provide concrete examples of where my view does what you claim.

> Don't be so open minded your brain falls out.

Please avoid this type of language. It's not welcome on HN.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger

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