Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by aidenn0 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:04PM
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It's always going to be confusing but I believe "transgender woman" is unambiguously someone assigned male gender at birth who identifies as a woman.
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Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by Foober223 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:49PM
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What if a biological male is assigned female gender at birth? Would they be transgender, or just female?
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by geofft on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:46AM
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That's part of the reason that "biological male" isn't a highly informative/technically-precise term, but assuming you mean something like Swyer syndrome, there isn't really a reason to worry about estrogen making them infertile, so in context using the phrase "transgender women" would have been clear regardless.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by aidenn0 on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:38PM
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I think, since the assignment is typically done by a medical professional (at least for recording a birth certificate), the assumption is that the gender is either a quickly fixed clerical error or reflective of a phenotype that presents as sufficiently male/female to convince a professional.
"Convincing a professional" is a reasonable proxy for biological sex, given that the cases that would fool a medical professional are in many (most?) cases sufficiently ambiguous that a reasonable person could take either side for what the biological sex is.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by andykx on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:32AM
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1. When is that going to happen? (Genuinely curious if it does happen)
2. It is really up to the person.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by eggsome on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:40AM
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Regarding 1:
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by microcolonel on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:34AM
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They would continue to be male, forever. "Female" is a sex, not merely a gender identity.
At birth, nobody is "assigning" genders to you, they are attempting to observe your sex from primary sex characteristics. If they see vulva, they are observing a female; if they see penis/scrotum, they are observing a male.
While there are edge cases, it is generally pretty simple.
Re:Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
by bashinator on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:03AM
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This is a bit off-topic, but "at birth" is a seriously wrong phrasing - they were assigned that phenotypical gender well before birth.