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Re:Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagio... by iateanapple on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:49PM (#23863655)
> We're comparing lockdowns with what people actually do when you don't have a lockdown

As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is a lockdown.

This is what makes the data analysis so difficult - perhaps in some areas people actually followed lockdown rules - where I live basically nobody did.

Yet on paper we had similar lockdowns.

> Wouldn't this cause them to not do regular health checkups, etc. as well?

It doesn’t seem so - but it’s hard to know for sure because you are comparing different cultures and demographics.

Swedes kept going to routine checkups whereas Californians didn’t - but was that caused by the lockdowns or differences in culture?

Like I said in 12-18 months the data will be a lot clearer.

> [citation needed]

Follow Michael Levitt on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013

> Comparing Sweden to the US is misleading

Yes, and so is comparing Sweden and Denmark - but you were happy to do that.

Latest excess deaths show Sweden is doing better than the European average - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013/status/12838142549...

> Well, there it is. The age of the people dying is only relevant if you don't care about the elderly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow a conscience.

Nonsense - a 5 year old dying is completely different from an 80 year old dying.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care about the elderly.

> Lockdowns protect the old.

That’s not clear.

NYC for example has had a ruinous number of deaths in nursing homes.

Maybe you meant “Lockdowns are intended to protect the old”?

Re:Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagio... by kerkeslager on Friday July 17, 2020 @11:58AM (#23871908)
> As long as we are comparing with what people actually do when there is a lockdown.

We are.

> This is what makes the data analysis so difficult - perhaps in some areas people actually followed lockdown rules - where I live basically nobody did.

Really? People in your area showed up to closed businesses and did what, congregated outside pointlessly? I'm gonna have to say, I don't believe that.

> Swedes kept going to routine checkups whereas Californians didn’t - but was that caused by the lockdowns or differences in culture?

[citation needed]

> Follow Michael Levitt on Twitter - https://mobile.twitter.com/MLevitt_NP2013

[citation needed] still, because I have no idea where you're seeing anything there which you're claiming, and more to the point, a biophysicist is not the same as an epidemiologist, and even more to the point, even an epidemiologist needs evidence to back up their point.

In short, link a study, or you are just making crap up.

> > Comparing Sweden to the US is misleading

> Yes, and so is comparing Sweden and Denmark - but you were happy to do that.

No, it's not.

The difference is that I gave reasons why the US and Sweden are different, whereas you don't seem to feel that a lack of evidence should prevent you from saying things.

Again, provide evidence for your claims, or you're just making crap up.

> NYC for example has had a ruinous number of deaths in nursing homes.

NYC didn't lock down until the disease had already been widespread.