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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by jjoonathan on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:25PM (#23850362)
Did you even glance at the numbers?

    Tech       gCO2/kWh
    
    Coal         920 
    Gas          490
    Solar-Util    48
    Solar-Roof    41
    Solar-Conc    27
    Geothermal    38
    Hydro         24
    Wind-Offshore 12
    Nuclear       12  <---
    Wind-Onshore  11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emis...
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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by onli on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:44PM (#23850614)
It's my understanding that these numbers are not undisputed. Even https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1530-9290... lets enough opportunity to have that calculation be changed, though there does not seem to be any doubt that the emissions are minimal compared to fossil fuels. But that's not a point I made.

But you are right, I shouldn't have made it sound as if no one produced such numbers.

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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by retrac on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:19PM (#23851121)
Even if it is a full order of magnitude larger, it still compares quite favourably to fossil fuels.
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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by onli on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:30PM (#23851272)
Right, that's part of what I was citing. But the people vehemently opposing nuclear power plants, like me, are generally also opposing fossil fuels. So that doesn't change anything.
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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by yongjik on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:43PM (#23851446)
Maybe you do, but most people "vehemently opposing nuclear power plants" only pay some lip service to fossil fuels. I've yet to see an anti-nuclear activist declaring that Germany and Japan have nothing to be proud of, considering their carbon footprint. Granted I didn't search very hard, but every anti-nuclear opinion piece I've come across praises how "Germany and Japan showed" that it's possible to shut down nuclear power. The staggering environmental cost of fossil fuels is at best left in a footnote.
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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by funcDropShadow on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:40AM (#23860092)
Nevertheless, Germany's per capita CO2 emission per year is 9.44 tons [1], Japan's is 9.70 tons [2] and the US's is 15.52 tons [3] in 2016. Sorry, I couldn't find a more recent source. All that despite, Germany is shutting down nuclear and it has already reduced its usage of brown coal (Braunkohle) and stone coal (Steinkohle) in the last 10 years [4]. So, please explain how the US with higher relience on nuclear is faring better?

The valid criticism from many including the green party in Germany is, the shutdown of coal plant could go faster. But it already started.

[1]: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/germany-co2-emis... [2]: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/japan-co2-emissi... [3]: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/us-co2-emissions... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out#/media...

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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by onli on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:04PM (#23851787)
This criticism of the Energiewende is a core point of the program of the german green party, combined with the plan to end coal power as soon as possible.
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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by jjoonathan on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:59PM (#23850838)
That's not all you did.
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