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Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by joss82 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:48PM (#23848870)
This article is misleading.

You can NOT replace nuclear with wind and solar. Because you can't choose when the sun shines and when the wind blows.

Hydro in France is already built-up everywhere it was feasible. There are no more spots to build meaningful hydro power capacity. Too bad since hydro is the only renewable that can really replace the nuclear power plants.

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by dv_dt on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:40PM (#23849694)
At least with studies on the Australian grid, it seems like the need for "baseload" sources is myth fueled mostly by resistance to upgrading to renewable sources.

https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/baseload-ene...

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by belorn on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:56AM (#23860275)
That seems good, as then we can set a date when fossil fueled power plans should be banned and only renewable sources will be allowed.

I recommend 2030.

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by meroje on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:26PM (#23853708)
There's a lot of "could" and "will need to change" there, don't see hard facts proving a myth.
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by cure on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:59PM (#23851719)
> You can NOT replace nuclear with wind and solar. Because you can't choose when the sun shines and when the wind blows.

That's what grid energy storage is for. Traditionally this is often implemented with hydro (sometimes even by pumping water up to a high-altitude reservoir during periods of excess power generation). There are many more exotic methods as well - e.g. the crane that stacks concrete blocks, or the train with concrete that goes up and down the hill.

More recently, grid-scale batteries are being installed at increasing scale (e.g. Tesla's Megapack), and the cost efficiency of that solution seems to be improving rapidly.

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by steeve on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:18PM (#23854637)
If you run the numbers, you’ll see that we are several orders of magnitude away from having anything close to the scale of energy storage needed unfortunately
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by funcDropShadow on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:02PM (#23860335)
Extending the grid transport capacity, allows you to transport the energy from the place where is currently blowing to the place where it is neaded. That, reduces the need to store power.
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by steeve on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:04PM (#23860352)
This has been demonstrated to be false at the Europe scale, unfortunately. See https://youtu.be/1aCHN6dytVY (in french though)

In a nutshell, either there's wind everywhere, or not.

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by FlyMoreRockets on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:01PM (#23849082)
> Because you can't choose when the sun shines and when the wind blows.

This is a terrible argument. There is always some place on the grid where the wind is blowing and (during the day) the sun is shining.

Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by seszett on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:05PM (#23849147)
That's far from guaranteed. It's very possible to have little wind over a large area, larger than France even, during the night.
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by FlyMoreRockets on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:52PM (#23852520)
Do you have any actual numbers to back these claims up?
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by steeve on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:19PM (#23854654)
Yes, at Europe scale: https://youtu.be/1aCHN6dytVY in French
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:02PM (#23850048)
And the same for solar. There are several hours every day when the sun is shining nowhere on (Metropolitan) France.
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by joss82 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:00AM (#23856829)
Especially during the night :)
Re:Why is the Fessenheim 2 nuclear power plant closing in Fr... by steeve on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:19PM (#23854653)
This has been demonstrated to be false, unfortunately. See https://youtu.be/1aCHN6dytVY (in french though)