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Re:Riot is now Element by rvz on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:23AM (#23844154)
> If you're pissed about Element, you must be absolutely livid about Apple.

Nope. 'Apple Computer Inc.' already marketed themselves specifically first in 'computers' and that association was built over the years.

After they had success in products that weren't attached to only 'desktop/laptop computers' it made sense to remove 'Computer' from the name. The same was done for Tesla Motors Inc. to Tesla Inc.

This is more like a full blown renaming of Riot, New Vector, Modular -> Element. You need to rebuild that SEO and previous associations from scratch again.

Re:Riot is now Element by bovermyer on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:59AM (#23844522)
Sorry, you missed the point of my comment. I was addressing the original commenter's dislike of the specific name Element because of its generic nature.
Re:Riot is now Element by rovek on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:28AM (#23844908)
I also missed it, I'd say it's not a good example. Apple is not a generic word, it's very specifically about fruit or tech which are concepts with little-to-no overlap. Element is a word that appears throughout life and technology with both specific and generic usages which will often closely relate, in a confusing way.
Re:Riot is now Element by CydeWeys on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:24AM (#23844839)
And you're missing the point that "Apple" is a decades-old brand that everyone knows. It doesn't need to be explained to anyone now.

Element is a new chat app that people won't have heard of and thus does need to be explained, and the "Element" name isn't helping in that regard because it's extremely generic and has nothing to do with messaging. Even worse, it has bad name collision problems; I just Googled "element app" and all the results are other apps named Element, including one hosted at elementapp.com (which will seem like a more legitimate domain name to many casual users than element.io).

Re:Riot is now Element by bovermyer on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:35AM (#23844986)
I was talking about when Apple originally came about, not Apple today.
Re:Riot is now Element by CydeWeys on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:55AM (#23845252)
And for every one success story along the vein of Apple, there's hundreds of failure stories (caused by a variety of reasons). Having a good name gives you a better chance than having a bad name. You're just exhibiting survivorship/selection bias here.

And anyway, they were known as "Apple Computer" back then. See e.g. this ad: https://i.redd.it/f1o3uol6q2dx.jpg The name is not at all ambiguous. It was good branding relative to its competitors.

Re:Riot is now Element by rvz on Monday July 20, 2020 @08:02AM (#23896908)
You might as well say the same argument about Snapchat Inc. who is now known as Snap. Even more generic than 'Apple' as it is used as a verb, adjective and now a company name which appears at the top of the Google search results despite the founders launching their company as Snapchat Inc.

From a SEO point of view, The transition of 'New Vector' -> 'Element' is just as bad since the continuity of the name is completely lost and has to compete again in the SEO rankings.

The thing is with very generic names in search engines and word of mouth, continuity is essential and the creators of Riot have to rebuild it again with a generic name.

Re:Riot is now Element by rangibaby on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:49AM (#23845172)
Wasn’t it originally Apple Computer?