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Re:Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad by Foxboron on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:18PM (#23838725)
>The issue I have with systemd was mainly related to its heaviness not really fitting in with Arch's simplicity.

Arch is a pragmatic distribution first and foremost. If we can build systemd, and ship it as-is to have a complete init, and more features along with it, that is much more enticing then the alternative.

> I think it (openrc) would have been a good choice for Arch, for me it would have been better than systemd.

It would still entail maintaining some form of initscripts. I don't think most users realize how much of a burden this is, they don't really deal with that part of the system.

Re:Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad by GekkePrutser on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:36PM (#23839424)
I understand, and it was not my intention to drag the systemd discussion up again. It was just one of the many things I thought of after reading cwyers post which really resonated with me, and the parent article as well.

And there are things I do like about systemd, I also have to say. Especially the way you can pass a variable to a server with @, like run 2 instances on different ports.

I know very well that the rc scripts were a pain to maintain as I've written some as well in the past. So I really understand the benefit of upstream-provided service configs.

The transition to systemd for me as a user was just a bit more difficult. It deviates so much from earlier conventions, and adapting it I found difficult. It enforces a lot more than just the init system.

For some reason I always end up having to compile some of the software I use myself, and having to make scripts then. I found this a lot easier with OpenRC than with Systemd (having pretty much no knowledge of either).

But anyway I'm just one user and you support millions, I know you're making the right choices for the platform. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me in fact!

Re:Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad by Foxboron on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:22PM (#23839785)
>and you support millions

I'll be amazed if Arch has a million users. Our napkin math using steam user statistics put us on around 500k-600k users.