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Re:Google Search Upgrades Make It Harder for Websites to Win... by onion2k on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:45AM (#23820663)
You lose the serendipity of other things sites might tell you - you get Dr. Fauci's age quicker, and a few other bits that Google sanction as appropriate for you, but that's all you get. Google can censor the rest of the facts if they choose to, and you'll never know because you don't leave the safe walls of Google's search page. To date Google have 'only' censored search results in countries like China, but doesn't have to be the case. They could manipulate what they show people. At least on Wikipedia there's a visible history behind every edit.

The other side of that coin is that you also have to pay the cost of losing of the freedom to be discovered online if you have something to say. If you have a brilliant way of telling people the weather with 100% accuracy then you're not going to get anywhere with that because no one leaves Google to get the weather forecast any more.

Re:Google Search Upgrades Make It Harder for Websites to Win... by simion314 on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:59AM (#23821442)
>They could manipulate what they show people.

I think this already happens, as an example I was searching for something like "X in Garry Mod" and most things on the results were youtube results. I can't prove this is deliberate but it feels weird you search for some API and you get either a full page of Youtube results or Google answers.

Re:Google Search Upgrades Make It Harder for Websites to Win... by IAmEveryone on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:02AM (#23820860)
I get that "censorship" is dominating some people's thinking these days, but the relevancy here is ... tenuous.

Google always controlled the search results, and therefore the information you were going to see. Filtering the pages they link to isn't materially different from filtering the facts they choose to feature.

There's also a complete lack of motive here: Google allows you to pay them to "manipulate" SERPS (by placing your ad on it). And they tend to follow local laws. Beyond that, there just aren't any credible examples of manipulation, nor are there any plausible theories as to what would motivate them to do so.

I believe people feel uneasy about these changes because it's unsustainable: when they cut off all traffic to <x>, <x> will soon stop producing the data Google is recycling.

Plus, we all see ourselves as potential heroes in a story about some scrappy startup or project doing cool things with barely any budget and being successful. That opportunity relies on search as one of very few zero-cost meritocratic channels to find users.

Re:Google Search Upgrades Make It Harder for Websites to Win... by onion2k on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:17AM (#23821640)
Google always controlled the search results, and therefore the information you were going to see.

The difference is that now they're incentivizing you not to click on the search results for informational searches. There could be damning evidence that IAmEveryone is mean to kittens on the first result, but if people don't click it they'll never know.

Re:Google Search Upgrades Make It Harder for Websites to Win... by EricE on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:58PM (#23828386)
>Google always controlled the search results, and therefore the information you were going to see. Filtering the pages they link to isn't materially different from filtering the facts they choose to feature.

And they have been caught over and over either flat out memory holing or burying things they are ideologically opposed to as well.