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Re:What does Microsoft want with Linux and Open Source? [video] by roenxi on Monday July 13, 2020 @04:56AM (#23818663)
Open source is good enough. At some point it catches up to the proprietary software on core things that matter and then it becomes hard to justify proprietary. Not always, but that story has played out quite a few times now. To fight that, proprietary software needs to change quickly to keep ahead. But change is expensive and users hate it.

Fundamentally, what advantage is Windows going to maintain with a closed source kernel? How many customers care that MS isn't using the Linux kernel? Not many. The bean counters are eventually going to start ask questions, like "why are we paying to maintain our own kernel when we could just use Linux?".

I don't see what strategic edge MS is going to hold maintaining a parallel OS long term. If they change rapidly they lose the legacy advantage, if they don't OSS will catch up. It isn't like NTFS is giving them a huge advantage over ext4. The key patents will all be starting to expire too.

The only effective resistance to OSS seems to have been this service-based cloud model that exploded onto the scene in the last, what, 10-15 years?

Re:What does Microsoft want with Linux and Open Source? [video] by btschaegg on Monday July 13, 2020 @01:39PM (#23823369)
> Fundamentally, what advantage is Windows going to maintain with a closed source kernel?

Just to hammer this point home some more: There are actually also significant disadvantages to the Kernel being closed source.

As an example: Windows has had an official port of OpenDTrace for a year now. But sadly, the documentation for it is almost nonexistent, and just finding out which functions you might want to instrument (and what context data is available there) is much more painful than on other systems.

OTOH, if you're on OpenSolaris or Linux (where you'll likely use bpftrace instead), documentation on the matter is abundant.

Re:What does Microsoft want with Linux and Open Source? [video] by dmurray on Monday July 13, 2020 @05:27AM (#23818833)
> Fundamentally, what advantage is Windows going to maintain with a closed source kernel? How many customers care that MS isn't using the Linux kernel? Not many. The bean counters are eventually going to start ask questions, like "why are we paying to maintain our own kernel when we could just use Linux?".

Backwards compatibility is a big one, and arguably the key principle behind all of Windows' evolution. Yes, WINE, yes, apps all moving to the browser, but there's a long tail of applications that won't work as well under WINE as they do on modern Windows versions.

Re:What does Microsoft want with Linux and Open Source? [video] by simonblack on Monday July 13, 2020 @07:22PM (#23826804)
Sooner or later, MSFT will 'do an Apple'.

Like Apple did before them, they will take an open-source kernel loving produced by thousands of willing programmers (BSD for Apple, Linux for Microsoft) and put their own proprietary GUI (Aqua for Apple, Windows for Microsoft) on top of that.