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Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by dragonwriter on Sunday July 12, 2020 @11:59PM (#23817017)
> But we know young people rarely have symptoms

And we know that, while presymptomatic spread is an issue, asymptomatic spread is between rare and nonexistent.

The fact that children tend not to be diagnosed because they tend much more strongly than adults to be asymptomatic when infected is not irrelevant to their propensity to spread the disease.

Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by enraged_camel on Monday July 13, 2020 @12:05AM (#23817044)
>>And we know that, while presymptomatic spread is an issue, asymptomatic spread is between rare and nonexistent.

Our knowledge is not that precise yet.

What we do know, based on models, is that "silent" transmission accounts for about 50% of covid-19 infections.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/asymptomatic-presymptomatic-pe...

Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by salmon30salmon on Monday July 13, 2020 @12:19AM (#23817126)
We don't know this. We would need full contact tracing and much faster testing to know this. Plus, we now know antibodies may _not_ be the biggest contributor to the immune response. It seems T-Cells are in some cases able to fight the disease without ever mounting an antibody response Thus no antibodies.

But the ol' maxim applies here: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by notacoward on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:37AM (#23821211)
> absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

That applies to infection/transmission via schools in general. Precisely because we don't have decent testing and tracing, we have a large number of cases whose origin is unknown. Schools have to be considered as one possibility, especially considering the several cases where reopening schools has been strongly correlated with spikes in infections. The precise mechanism doesn't matter. It's a red herring. Whether it's kid to kid, parent to teacher, cafeteria workers, whatever, it seems to happen some of the time. Until we've clearly ruled out a cause for those unknowns, we have to consider it still operative.

Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by all_blue_chucks on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:09AM (#23821543)
Asymptomatic spread nonexistent?

"Our results indicate that silent disease transmission during the presymptomatic and asymptomatic stages are responsible for more than 50% of the overall attack rate in COVID-19 outbreaks."

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/02/2008373117

Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by dragonwriter on Monday July 13, 2020 @12:39PM (#23822699)
Sure, if you add presymptomatic and asymptomatic spread you get a large number (because the most infectious period is the presymptomatic period right before symptoms develop.) That doesn't even begin to contradict asymptomatic spread, distinguished from presymptomatic spread, being rare to nonexistent. Usually, this makes little difference because you can individually distinguish the two only in retrospect, but when you have a population (like children) that demonstrably has a much lower propensity to develop disease symptoms when infected and a much higher propensity to remain asymptomatic, it makes a big difference.
Re:Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland... by all_blue_chucks on Monday July 13, 2020 @01:29PM (#23823256)
You should publish your findings showing it is "rare to nonexistant" so that these researchers no longer waste time studying asymptomatic spread...