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Re:How to Understand Things by BeetleB on Saturday July 11, 2020 @05:48PM (#23806368)
I suspect you and GP are talking about slightly different things. GP is probably more opposed to artificial compartmentalizing of things. As an example:

> You do need to understand calculus before classical mechanics

Yes, but how much calculus? Do you need all of Calc I, II and III before even attempting classical mechanics? And should calculus even be treated independently of classical mechanics?

There are various traditions when it comes to teaching these subjects, and the tradition in the US involves keeping a strict distinction between these things, in addition to a "theory first" approach. Other people have studied things in a different manner. Some of my physics professors from the UK had studied most of the math they knew only as needed when they would get to relevant topics in physics - including differential equations, all of analysis (complex or real), some of Calc III, etc.

Even amongst mathematicians, it was common in parts of Eastern Europe to focus on a problem, and learn whatever theory is needed to solve that problem. They didn't learn theory and apply to problems - they took a problem, and learned whatever theory is needed to solve them. I recall picking up a Kolmogorov textbook on analysis and being surprised by seeing this approach, along with the informality with which everything is discussed.

And just a minor quibble:

> classical mechanics before quantum mechanics,

You don't really need to know much except the basics. I think the classical mechanics we covered in our typical "Engineering Physics" courses was sufficient to dive into proper quantum mechanics. It's nice to have been exposed to Hamiltonians in classical physics prior to taking QM, but really not needed. There's a reason neither schools I attended made the classical mechanics courses as prereqs to QM. In fact, I would argue we should split things up a bit: Have a course to teach the very basics of energy, momentum, etc. Then make it a prerequisite to both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics.

Re:How to Understand Things by closeparen on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:54PM (#23813751)
>And should calculus even be treated independently of classical mechanics?

Thank you. The value of calculus didn't really click for me until the next year in physics, at which point I wished I had paid more attention.

It's really unfortunate that you first have to drill high-speed high-precision symbol manipulation, devoid of any meaning, for so long before getting any indication of why you'd want to be able to do it.

I like Lockhart's analogy: mastering musical notation, transposition, etc. before being allowed to play your first note.

https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament....