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Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by onetimemanytime on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:37AM (#23790055)
No doubt you'll find something about everyone but that doesn't mean anything.

Guantanamo was supposed to be for the worst of the worst terrorists. No doubt a few were mistakenly selected but by mistake (USA has no interest in spending so much money and limited resources on a, say, innocent Pakistani cab driver.)

China has essentially put in camps /jail millions and millions of its citizens, simply because they are Muslim. And they're trying to wipe out their identity.

Now tell me how they compare ?

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by cies on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:34AM (#23790438)
Both did not have a fair trail. Saying it is only for group X but then not putting them on trail first is what both states do. Both say it is for "enemies of the state". Scale is probably different, you are right on that. But point fingers to other states while being dirty yourself is hypocrisy by definition.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by throwaway_pdp09 on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:02AM (#23791028)
> Scale is probably different

I'm not sure this is true. Could you please post the numbers at guantanamo and the numbers imprisoned at Xinjiang? That would help clarify this point, thanks.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:55AM (#23791485)
There is about four(!!!) orders of magnitude difference.

>numbers at guantanamo

Hundreds at any one time, under a hundred currently, well less than a thousand peak[1]

>numbers imprisoned at Xinjiang

On the order of millions[2]

If you want to be disingenuous more effectively I suggest you get better and choosing when to ask for citations.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by throwaway_pdp09 on Friday July 10, 2020 @11:18AM (#23792368)
> If you want to be disingenuous more effectively

That it was a deliberate disingenuity seemed to have flown far and high over your head. What do you think I was trying to do?

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by baybal2 on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:01AM (#23790628)
> (USA has no interest in spending so much money and limited resources on a, say, innocent Pakistani cab driver.)

I would like to educate you. USA has done just that.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by onetimemanytime on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:08AM (#23790676)
as I said it was done by mistake and dug a bigger hole by not wanting to admit wrong etc etc. They are /were only a few hundred placed in Guantanamo so why would they want to fill them with innocent people? Its not like they didn't have enough Al Qaeda and Taliban over there to catch
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by thaumasiotes on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:59AM (#23791004)
> China has essentially put in camps /jail millions and millions of its citizens, simply because they are Muslim.

No. Because they are Uyghurs. The Hui are a totally different phenomenon; Islam is one of the traditional religions of China. (Granted, with much less uptake than Buddhism got.)

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by yorwba on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:49AM (#23792000)
Non-Muslim Uyghurs who make themselves useful for the government don't seem to be doing so bad for themselves, from Shohrat Zakir, the chairman of Xinjiang, down to Uyghur prison guards who have been called out by some Kazakh victims as especially brutal. (Why do people forget about Kazakh and Kyrgyz Muslims in Xinjiang so often?)

And the "anti-extremism" push certainly applies to Hui Muslims as well, who had their mosques "renovated" to look less like mosques: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=763356996

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by thaumasiotes on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:22PM (#23798917)
> Non-Muslim Uyghurs who make themselves useful for the government don't seem to be doing so bad for themselves

The fact that certain individual Uyghurs are not targeted is not evidence that the reason oppressed Uyghurs are being oppressed is not "because they're Uyghurs". It's evidence that being a Uyghur can be mitigated.

But if you prefer, "because they are members of a group with very questionable allegiance". This phrasing picks up the other Turkic groups in the area while still clearly excluding the Hui.