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Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by peroporque on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:20AM (#23789936)
I agree that the Falcons should be in prison, but there is a difference between putting a few hundred political extremists in jail, compared to a few million normal people based on their race.

So, no, not "hypocrites".

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by cies on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:37AM (#23790467)
> based on their race

It's simply without a trial. All states have nice words for why they have to target whom they target. Let's not fall for propaganda.

The scale is different: true. But same-scale is not a prerequisite for hypocrisy.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by peroporque on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:00AM (#23790618)
Trials are irrelevant in China, because judges are part of the CCP.

the Uygurs are imprisoned based on their race. With or without trial makes no difference.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by jlokier on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:32AM (#23790002)
Well, some of those in Guantanamo are political extremists.

And some of them are probably normal people.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1539457/still-at-guantanamo

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by peroporque on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:35AM (#23790849)
True, that's why I say the Falcons should be in jail.

But the intention is to catch extremists, the flaw is to not follow due process.

Whereas in China, the intention is to commit cultural genocide.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by luckylion on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:13AM (#23790301)
> few hundred political extremists

Like in Abu Ghraib, where they created a torture dungeon for thousands of Iraqis, from common criminals to suspect rebels, generally without trial?

This whole "no, it's just some really evil individuals that we tortured, we are the good guys here" narrative is disgusting.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by cies on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:35AM (#23790450)
> without trial

this is the main point. both states like to do it without trial.

Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by thoughtstheseus on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:02AM (#23790637)
That’s why state interests should be below individual interests. Otherwise what’s the point of a state?
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by jacquesm on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:00AM (#23791021)
Torture is illegal, with or without a trial. It is a war crime and/or a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
Re:USA Sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Memb... by peroporque on Friday July 10, 2020 @11:47AM (#23792729)
In China, trials are irrelevant, because there is no independent judicial system.

What's more important is intention. One side tries to catch murderers and sometimes does not follow due process.

The other side tries to kill off the culture of an entire people by violently "reeducation" millions of human beings.

Honestly, I find it disgusting that people here seem to be mostly fine with those crimes, and even try to defend them.