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Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by usrusr on Thursday July 09, 2020 @07:03PM (#23786290)
> It does not matter if Germany is not ruled by an autocratic regime at the moment

I totally get the appeal of that argument, but it completely breaks down once I ask myself how much that autocratic bogeyman regime, once it got into power, would feel bound by privacy protections put in place by their predecessors.

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by corty on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:45PM (#23786959)
The question is rather: can they use preestablished structures and machinery or do they need to build it from the ground up. Surveilance also needs work, and its less work if everything is prepared.
Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by Jon_Lowtek on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:09PM (#23787442)
my point was more: any liberal social democratic society that subjects itself to every increasing censorship and surveillance will devolve towards totalitarianism.
Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by im3w1l on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:09AM (#23802325)
Can you explain surveillance leads to totalitarianism? It's not obvious to me.
Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by shrimp_emoji on Saturday July 11, 2020 @01:55PM (#23804146)
Totalitarianism has been the mode of human governance since prehistory. It's great, effective, and always tempting. The Western world today is the exception, not the rule.

It's also really hard to establish or continue without the surveillance to detect rebellion and corruption.

Re:New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service t... by int_19h on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:02PM (#23835377)
It makes a big difference, actually. Few regimes go full-on totalitarian right away - it's more common to have a gradual erosion, where they operate within the letter of the law for a while, while gradually diminishing the spirit. So the more the letter allows, the more abuse you'll see from the get go.