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Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @09:08PM (#23765990)
I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here: are you seriously asserting "unless you can assign objectively quantifiable values to 'right to fun' and 'right to life' and prove the latter is larger than the former, your argument is invalid?"
Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by luckylion on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @05:05AM (#23768194)
The argument was made that "avoiding unnecessary death > fun/comfort things to do". The counter argument was "if that was true, we'd ban lots of things" and that it's more of a question of how many deaths vs how much fun/comfort.

One death a year vs permanent lockdown? We won't lock down. 99% of society dying vs washing your hands once a day? We'll make hand-washing mandatory. The deaths from Covid-19 and the responses to it are somewhere between those extremes.

The important point here is: it's not a matter of moral principles, it's a matter of where on those scales you put the deaths/counter measures. Pretending that it's a moral argument (as in "you're immoral if you accept any amount of unnecessary deaths for non-essential things like going to festivals or having pineapple delivered to your door") is simply not working unless you (demand to) ban plenty of things.

Re:Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to colle... by austhrow743 on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @09:10PM (#23766006)
They're not even trying to say that one is larger than the former without objectively quantifying it! That would be a start.

I would like a argument. Any. Instead there's just a bunch of people treating corona virus as this exception where you're sociopath to consider any other facet of life when deciding how to respond to it.