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Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by hirundo on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:25PM (#23764858)
That is the obvious argument that to take back is not hypocrisy in this case. It seems persuasive to me. I'm willing to take back what has been taken from me, when I can get away with it. It's just self defense. I wonder why people reject it out of hand.
Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by sudosysgen on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:32PM (#23764925)
This is not based on future taxation, but instead on increasing the money supply that would in theory increase inflation. Unless the Ayn Rand institute has massive cash reserves, it is a huge positive for them.

The rest of the article is complete confabulation trying to say that if the government didn't do anything the crisis wouldn't have been a big issue, which is a speculative assumption that goes contrary to evidence. In any case, if the government didn't create a PPP, they would be much worse off. Therefore, it is hypocrisy and not restitution.

Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by beaner on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:45PM (#23765053)
Does it go contrary to evidence? We have prior examples of pandemics where things were not shut down and the economy did not collapse.
Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by sudosysgen on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:49PM (#23765095)
They are specifically saying that the fact that the epidemic has ripped through the country is because the government intervened too much. Not the economic impact, simply the progression of the epidemic.

The economy did not collapse in the vast majority of countries, due to governmental intervention. Those countries also have much less infection.

Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by beaner on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:09PM (#23765270)
> They are specifically saying that the fact that the epidemic has ripped through the country is because the government intervened too much

You're conflating things. You are making it sound like they are blaming the spread of the virus on the lockdown. It does not say that in the article. In fact, the article laments "America’s unpreparedness, the slowness of our response, and the byzantine maze of regulations." To the extent that it does blame the government for the spread, it doesn't blame it on the quarantine but on regulations preventing the medical industry from working efficiently. It does criticize the "entire nation under house arrest," but only as an outcome, distinct from part of the problems spreading the virus.

Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by sudosysgen on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:59PM (#23765643)
The fix for unpreparedness is not the free market, it is preparedness. Less regulation would not have fixed the issue. No country in the earth managed to curtail this pandemic using less regulation. Making the medical industry work more efficiently didn't help any country. What worked was the public sphere imposing non-pharmaceutical interventions, and distributing massive amounts of tests, in that order.

None of those problems can be fixed by less government.

Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by phalangion on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:50PM (#23765097)
Pandemics of this scale of infection rate, hospitalizations, and deaths?
Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by beaner on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:10PM (#23765283)
Yes, the Spanish flu infected 1/3 of the world and resulted in 50 million deaths. It's possible covid-19 will get there as well but we're not anywhere close to that yet.
Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by sudosysgen on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @08:01PM (#23765655)
The Spanish flu had absolutely massive economic effects that would have undoubtedly led to a massive crisis if it wasn't for a minor event called World War One.

And the places that recovered economically the quickest are those that locked down more and earlier.

Re:Ayn Rand Institute accepts $1m PPP loan from The State by sp332 on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:20PM (#23765369)
But in that case, cities that shut down earlier recovered more quickly. http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-health-response-economic-r...