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Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by toomuchtodo on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:00PM (#23735950)
Autobidder uses ML and other signals to maximize the revenue for asset owners based on electric market data (real time and historical). It has a rough idea when the grid will be demanding power, how fast the storage project can charge and discharge, what the minimum aggregate state of charge should be, etc.

Not affiliated with Tesla except as an investor, have gotten to test drive Autobidder as part of an engineering/procurement/construction storage project.

Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by ethbro on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:09PM (#23735977)
What are the industry incentives for Tesla to do this, instead of utilities?

It just seems kind of weird for Tesla to be saying "We'll sell you this thing you tell me you need" and also "Here's us building a thing to help you tell what you need."

Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by nordsieck on Saturday July 04, 2020 @09:28PM (#23736035)
> What are the industry incentives for Tesla to do this, instead of utilities?

1. Most utilities operate power plants, they don't operate power storage facilities. From a capital efficiency standpoint, power plants want to be run all the time, so there's not much that they can do that's particularly fancy.

In contrast, Tesla both buys and sells electricity, so they have the opportunity to arbitrage across time. This is especially true in places where the cost of electricity dips below 0.

2. There are some utilities that have stored power (e.g. hydro dams). I suspect that they don't employ the engineering talent to pull off something like Autobidder.

Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by rurban on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:39PM (#23736427)
But those energy providers ("utilities") have the necessary political and budget power to pull off something like Autobidder. In many countries they are controlling local governments. Buying such a logistical solution is peanuts for them, automation is everything.

They are already doing better things than just dumb ML, they have proper models and constraint and planning software.

Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 05, 2020 @12:18AM (#23736559)
If they had the will and resources to do it, they would’ve done it. Having been in both engineering first and engineering last orgs, it’s clear they cannot execute in this regard (like a tech company).
Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by woodandsteel on Sunday July 05, 2020 @06:23PM (#23742633)
Right. Because these utilities have, as Ruban says, "political and budget power" they are fat and happy, and don't bother with engineering innovation.
Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by ethbro on Sunday July 05, 2020 @07:12PM (#23742972)
To be fair, in many cases markets are explicitly set up to preclude innovation.

Monopoly grants with rate caps don't afford much aspirational budget for SV-wage engineers.

Re:Tesla’s SA big battery just got 50% bigger after goals th... by dzhiurgis on Sunday July 05, 2020 @08:36PM (#23743559)
Do you know any open source alternatives? I've just signed up for power using a plan to pay using spot price. The provider already does show forecast for the day, but I'm sure they don't have an API.

Edit: Well, seems someone mitm'd their app to find API. Can plug that into something that can analyse entire NZ's trends.