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Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by dijit on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:02PM (#23735233)
> 96% of households in the UK can get 30 Mbps.

96% may have 30Mbps advertised to them, but I would venture the question: do they actually get that?

When I lived in London, I lived in Lewisham, Bromley-by-Bow and Whitechapel; I had shockingly bad internet in each of these places.

I very commonly got less than 0.5Mbps ( for example: https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/757179610 )

That didn't stop BT from selling me 16Mb/s.

Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by tialaramex on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:22PM (#23735324)
They don't get it because they aren't buying it. But yes, 30Mbps is what you'd expect to get at those 96% of households if you bought whichever of the mainstream services offers >30Mbps

That might be a VDSL product from any of the popular ISPs (if you live with a few hundred metres of a "green box"), a cable product if you live in one of the cities or larger towns that have cable, or dedicated fibre link.

Some people see significantly worse performance because of their own suboptimal choices (e.g. maybe the blinking lights on the supplied VDSL modem annoy you so you run a telephone extension to a different room and lose 4Mbps of bandwidth because crappy telephone extensions don't do high bandwidth networking very well) and over a population of millions some will see physical network problems, that may need repair before they see the intended performance. But on the whole this 30Mbps coverage figure is based on extrapolating measurements from real users over data about available service.

I'm not aware of any 16MB/s products (16MB/s = 128Mbps or maybe you just meant 16Mbps) but Lewisham, which you gave as an example, has VDSL available at all the consumer nodes, so unless you lived in the £5M penthouse of some mixed use building in Docklands you could have bought faster networking you just didn't.

It can seem like surely if they could offer 30Mbps VDSL, why is my ADSL only 1Mbps? But that's misunderstanding the technology. ADSL was deployed in the UK to exchanges, so the signal needs to get from your home to an actual telephone exchange, there's probably one in your borough but it might be well over a mile away. However VDSL is in street cabinets, so your signal only travels to the cabinet which might be only a few hundred metres away. This makes it somewhat more expensive but also a lot faster. Unless (in both cases) you don't buy it.

Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by dijit on Saturday July 04, 2020 @06:47PM (#23735425)
>I'm not aware of any 16MB/s products (16MB/s = 128Mbps or maybe you just meant 16Mbps) but Lewisham, which you gave as an example, has VDSL available at all the consumer nodes, so unless you lived in the £5M penthouse of some mixed use building in Docklands you could have bought faster networking you just didn't.

Incorrect, BT could charge me more but by their own admission they would not be able to deliver the speed.

- FWIW this was eventually resolved in Bromley-by-Bow because the fibre laid by telecity for the olympics was sold to Hyperoptic.

Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by heavenlyblue on Sunday July 05, 2020 @06:03AM (#23737654)
> Lewisham

I live in Lewisham, Brockley and we only have a 10Mbit line available (and the real speed is lower than that) because we have a so-called “exchange only line” and we’re over a mile away from the exchange. The whole street can’t be connected to anything better than shit BT service.

So no, you can’t always have this in London.

Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by Reason077 on Saturday July 04, 2020 @07:32PM (#23735608)
> "Whitechapel; I had shockingly bad internet in each of these places."

I get up to 400 Mbps in Whitechapel (Vodafone 5G). Very fast and reliable.

(Edit: speed test just now: https://www.speedtest.net/result/9708635870 )

Re:A British village that built one of the UK’s fastest inte... by dijit on Saturday July 04, 2020 @07:45PM (#23735677)
Well, 5G is something else entirely.

My experience was from nearly 6 years ago; on BT's books I was a 16Mbps customer but I was very much not getting that.

I am merely questioning the link between 'on the books 96% of people in britain can get x speed' with my own experience of _not_ getting advertised, quoted, and paid for speeds.

(also my apartment in Bromley-by-Bow didn't get 4G (or even more than 1 bar of 3G) anywhere inside, my prior apartments were lived in before there was any 4G in London)