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Re:Sphere Eversion by bane on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:19PM (#23733256)
This trick reminds me of that game ten year old children play where one of them shoots the other with a "gun" and the child who was "hit" suddenly declares a new rule, "I have a forcefield!".

Meaning, you can't pinch or cut. So sphere eversion is obviously impossible...but the suddenly, "I can pass surfaces through one another!"

So I guess the game here is not in finding interesting solutions within a set of constraints (no pinching or cutting!) but in just making up arbitrary new rules when the problem becomes intractable?

Re:Sphere Eversion by zodiac on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:11PM (#23733915)
If you think the constraints make it trivial, try producing a solution with the same constraints. (intersection allowed but pinching and cutting not)
Re:Sphere Eversion by bane on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:30PM (#23734031)
I think the constraints make it impossible. It's obvious that allowing free passage through a surface is the same as cutting.
Re:Sphere Eversion by aesthesia on Saturday July 04, 2020 @03:35PM (#23734387)
Self-intersection is not the same as cutting. The disconnect you’re experiencing is between the mathematical description of the problem—-does there exist a smooth homotopy of immersions between two embedding a of the 2-sphere in 3-dimensional space—and the colloquial description. The mathematical phenomenon corresponding to cutting would be discontinuity of that homotopy, which is different from the description of self-intersection, which amounts to the difference between an embedding and an immersion.
Re:Sphere Eversion by zodiac on Saturday July 04, 2020 @08:24PM (#23735813)
I'm not sure what sense you're using "the same" in. Eg a cylinder can be transformed into a mobius strip (in 3d space) by cutting and gluing, but if we allow only self-intersection, this can't be done. To me this shows that they're not "the same".