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Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by monocasa on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:20PM (#23720089)
I've increasingly heard of places requiring that you put it on your personal phone for working class jobs. BYOD gone horribly wrong. The same app will also be the only way to get your timesheets, clock in, or trade shifts, etc.
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by abstrct on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:26PM (#23720134)
Then to me, this is the real issue. Businesses aren’t providing the right tools to help employees separate their personal lives with the business.

BYOD has indeed been a curse.

Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by monocasa on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:31PM (#23720183)
I think a lot of middle managers for working class jobs see the inability to separate work life from personal as a critical feature. The ability to peer into their employees' lives gives them new levels of power over the employer/employee relationship.

If the app did give the employees the tools to separate their lives, the employer would churn to another app.

Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by rantwasp on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:30PM (#23720168)
that a no for me. my phone is my phone. i am betting this is grounds for a class-action lawsuit if you indeed have no other option than to install crapware on you PERSONAL phone
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by monocasa on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:35PM (#23720208)
I hope that it's grounds for a class action given how abhorrent of a practice it is, but I bet as long as there's relevant language in your employment contract, it's kosher.
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by jodrellblank on Thursday July 02, 2020 @10:40PM (#23720560)
Yet it's perfectly normal to install business crapware in your PERSONAL BRAIN, 40 hours a week, 45 years of life, almost unquestioned.
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by NewsAware on Friday July 03, 2020 @07:57PM (#23728739)
Sorry, I don't understand really. You are questioning to be required thinking about work during the time you are paid for to work? Again sorry if I failed to see sarcasm if intended.
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by rantwasp on Thursday July 02, 2020 @11:16PM (#23720730)
hmm. you’re renting my brain. you also don’t get to control how i process the info and what i get to remember.
Re:Invasive, secretive “bossware” tracking workers by jodrellblank on Friday July 03, 2020 @12:36PM (#23725379)
You also don’t get to control how you process the info and what you remember.

In fact, skilled advertisers and psychologists and the kind of people who develop dark patterns for social media companies[1] likely have more control over it than you have.

[1] and your company’s glorious loyalty oath parade, logos on mugs on your desk, anti-union propaganda posters, slogan you recite on the phone, etc. It is all changing you one way or another.