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Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by KKKKkkkk1 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:43PM (#23703493)
With his characteristic geeky excitement, Zuckerberg described the promising initial test flight of Aquila, a drone with a wingspan larger than a 737 jet that was part of his plan to provide internet connectivity all over the world.

Though Newton hadn’t witnessed the test flight in Yuma, Arizona—no members of the press were invited—he believed Zuckerberg’s account of it. When his article was published, it reported that Aquila “was so stable that they kept it in the air for 90 minutes before landing it safely.”

Months later, however, a Bloomberg story revealed that the flight hadn’t gone so smoothly after all—Aquila had crashed. While the craft had indeed stayed aloft for longer than intended, high winds tore a chunk out of a wing, leading to a crash landing.

Interesting episode! It would be interesting to know if this was intentional deception or incompetent ignorance on Zuck's part.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by smsm42 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:17PM (#23706041)
More interesting, I think, is why a "reporter" reported as fact something that they didn't witness and had no way to verify except from the words of one very biased source. And what added value this kind of "reporting" provides - if we wanted to know what Zuckerberg wants to say, we can read the press release?

This is all too common a pattern nowdays - instead of reporting something that happens the press reports something that somebody (usually extremely biased and frequently anonymous) said about something that might happen, or, as frequently turns out later, didn't happen. It's much easier and cheaper, but its contribution to the society is net negative.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by devindotcom on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @09:20PM (#23708936)
When it comes to things like internal R&D projects, military and government matters, and a huge amount of the tech industry's goings-on, the only source is the company itself. This is a serious challenge facing press in many industries.

How do you propose Casey should have challenged or verified whether the Aquila flew as well as claimed? Any data about the craft would come from FB, any paper describing it would be published by FB, any researchers who worked on it would work at FB. Anyone else who might be an "objective" source would be under NDA. Companies are very thorough about this sort of thing.

A journalist doing an investigative piece on the Aquila would not take Zuckerberg's words as gospel, but that doesn't mean those words are unimportant. This was a news piece, and CEOs speaking publicly about an R&D project, and answering questions and so on, is an opportunity to provide a different kind of value. Readers are curious about details companies don't always provide, and also require context that isn't always obvious. Reporters do this work too - it's not all cloak and dagger stuff, whistleblowers and top-secret dossiers.

Aquila was a solar-powered drone that FB wanted to use to create a laser-powered internet for developing countries. That's an interesting story that should be told - and not just by the company, which would leave out important parts like opposition to Internet.org or indeed the unfinished nature of the aircraft. That's important work for reporters as well - filling in those gaps so that readers' understanding of a topic or event is more full than it would be had only people with a stake in it done so.

I also have not seen the pattern you describe and am not sure it's as endemic as you suggest.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by smsm42 on Sunday July 05, 2020 @04:55AM (#23737439)
> the only source is the company itself

Then don't report it as fact. With all blatant editorializing going on right now, simple "we've been told by company representatives that X but we have no independent verification of this" would already do. And also maybe give company the incentive to actually make their claims verifiable.

> How do you propose Casey should have challenged or verified whether the Aquila flew as well as claimed

Maybe he couldn't verify it. Then he should have told "we don't know what happened, only thing we know what biased sources told us, so that's all we have for now". Maybe less sensational but more true.

> Reporters do this work too - it's not all cloak and dagger stuff, whistleblowers and top-secret dossiers.

True. But just refusing to parrot the press release would already be a step forward - if the company knows their unverified press releases would always have asterisk next to it, they'd have an incentive to make them more verifiable. Or at least the honest ones would. And thus we'd get a way to distinguish between honest companies and cheaters.

> That's an interesting story that should be told

Sure, what should not be told is what actually didn't happen except in company's press release - and the reporter reported it as something that did happen, because they wanted to juice up the story and pretend they have more access than they actually did. As a human, I can understand that weakness, as a consumer of the press I can not forgive it.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by JetSpiegel on Thursday July 02, 2020 @10:18AM (#23713334)
> How do you propose Casey should have challenged or verified whether the Aquila flew as well as claimed?

How did Bloomberg do it? By not publishing immediately, checking other sources. Also known as journalism.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by devindotcom on Thursday July 02, 2020 @03:10PM (#23716830)
Bloomberg covered Aquila at the time (a couple times) citing Facebook claims, using Facebook b-roll and Zuckerberg interviews.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-30/facebook-...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-27/after-goo...

They, like every other outlet, covered the news with the resources immediately available, then followed up later when information became available that led them to question the completeness of Facebook's account and details of the project.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by Luechkt on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @08:16PM (#23708441)
This is such an insightful comment. I worked as a reporter for a little outside-of-Philly paper in the 2000s and it was the extreme taboo to report on something you couldn't independently verify. Even then pay was bad and younger folks were bailing ship. Now newsrooms are so gutted that there is no staff left to do this kind of reporting.
Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by analyte123 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:59PM (#23703745)
Neither, it's just PR speak: the plane landed "safely" in the sense that no one was injured and only some property damage occurred.
Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by Spooky23 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:37PM (#23704189)
No, that's deceptive and projects weakness and insecurity. You can put a turd in a gold box, but it's still a turd.

If a man needs to stretch the language to conceal a trivial event that is publicly known, what else is he hiding? It's weird on many levels, as yakking about the disappointment of a pet/vanity project's stumble on it's ascent to greatness is a great distraction from the substance of Facebook.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by naringas on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:24PM (#23704726)
what's worse, this is a systemic issue not at all unique to facebook.

it all started when every pizzeria became the best pizza in the city; and just goes off from there.

Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by catalogia on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @07:17PM (#23707996)
Saying something landed safely when it actually crashed goes beyond mere puffery.
Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by mola on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:55PM (#23705073)
Calling deception "PR speak" doesn't make it not deception.
Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by BiteCode_dev on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:41PM (#23704227)
So intentional deception.
Re:What It’s Like to Report on Facebook by pwdisswordfish2 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @05:13PM (#23706771)
You mean whether the decision not to invite any members of the press to the test flight was intentional or incompetence?