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Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by TrueDuality on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @10:47AM (#23701924)
It's very hard to give up your home, your friends, your connections, and potentially your family even if you have an opportunity for a better life.

Yes, a lot of those connections can potentially move to the same city & country as you but will your neighbor still be your neighbor? Will the bar at the end of the street you go to after a hard day still be there and know exactly what you want when you walk through the door?

The revolt started almost 15 months ago against this kind of crap from China. Emigration may protect you from getting arrested but you're giving up everything you know and love in exchange. That's not much of a deal.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by woodpanel on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:00AM (#23702101)
And of course: Beijing will label the emmigrants as home-abandoning traitors.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by tankenmate on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:49AM (#23702788)
Not just that they also pressure family members that are left behind so that the defectors who left come back; then they arrest them. [0]

[0] https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/31/china-families-interpol-...

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by mnm1 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:02AM (#23702132)
Better than being ruled by communists, that's for damn sure. That was my experience, anyway.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by TimTheTinker on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:16AM (#23702360)
I’m really curious: what is your experience that you’re referring to?
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by stqism on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:28AM (#23702539)
Not the person you’re replying to, but I know a number of people with this sentiment. They’re all former residents of the Soviet Union and were able to get out as refugees to the US when it collapsed.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by CWuestefeld on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:42PM (#23703487)
My wife grew up in the PRC. Before Communism they were a very prominent family (her great uncle was a literary pioneer; his brother, her grandpa, a judge prominent enough that he was mentioned in the movie Lust Caution; and their brother a successful MD), and as a result were "black" under the Communist regime.

With the exception of my wife's grandmother, every member of her extended family spent time in either prison or forced-work camps. One of her aunts translated for me the "confession" she was forced to sign. None of this was related to what we'd consider crimes, but was entirely political.

The Communists took the family's house. They had a refrigerator and a piano, which the Red Guard destroyed on the basis that if everyone didn't have such bourgeois goods, then no one should. When TVs were made available for neighborhood viewing, my wife wasn't allowed to attend.

And there's the malnutrition and squalor they were subjected to. They shared one floor of a brownstone with 2 other families - so, 3 entire families sharing one kitchen and 1.5 baths. There was insufficient food, to the point where they had to eat insect-infested grain - while Party members got plenty.

So, all in all, my wife's experience with Communism wasn't positive, and having lived through that, she's the first to speak up against anything that exhibits any of those traits.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by GordonS on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:24PM (#23704033)
This is of course terrible, and I'm sorry your family went through any of it.

I though think it's worth mentioning that the China of today is absolutely not the China of the 50's.

I've personally spent quite a bit of time in China, and it's never seemed particularly "communist" - the middle class has long since been established and continues to grow, and capatalism is very much thriving. On a personal note, I've always really enjoyed my time in China.

I'm not saying it's a model of wonderdrous virtue either of course; there is a lot of corruption (hardly unique to China, mind), many people wouldn't even dream of openly criticising the CCP, there is little press freedom, and of course the Uigher (spelling?) camps are an abomination. Yet the overwhelming majority of the population have never had it better, and are happy with the way things are (of course, few will know everything about the way things are).

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by CWuestefeld on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:23PM (#23704720)
There's a lot of truth in your response. My own personal feeling, from my visits to the country from the 90s to the present, is that in some ways the day-to-day life on the streets of Shanghai seem more free than America. It seems like the government has been mostly laissez-faire toward the individual people, so long as those people leave the oligarchy alone.

The thing is, it's very much a pendulum. The Cultural Revolution, when my wife was growing up, was one of the worst times. The couple decades starting in the 90s was relatively quite good. The thing is, since Xi took control the pendulum has been swinging back in the other direction. That's most obvious back in Hong Kong, but is also evident within the mainland, as reported by family members and we can see ourselves through online interactions (e.g., on multiple occasions my wife's WeChat comments have been censored).

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by TimTheTinker on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:56PM (#23705793)
The CCP has not at all let up on its persecution of people, groups, and ideas that are deemed "enemies of the state": Christians who do not meet in a State-registered/3-self (= state-controlled) church (persecution of those Christians has worsened significantly), Falon Gong practitioners, and minority group members, among others.

In addition to religious and ideological persecution, we see grave human rights abuses continue unabated: forced abortions, arbitrary (non-rule-of-law) treatment of citizens, lack of habeas corpus, ruling officials and legislators who are unelected (or who are only eligible for election if they are CCP members), a secret police, massive slave labor camps, long prison sentences for journalists and human rights activists, etc.

Perhaps the only difference we're seeing since the 1950's is that capital and property ownership in themselves are not seen as anti-state.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by muro on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @11:59AM (#23702937)
I grew up in a communist country. Good riddance to them, only a shame that so few were prosecuted for ruining the lives of so many.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by TimTheTinker on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @12:39PM (#23703445)
Who in their right mind downvotes this ^? If you do downvote, I'd really like to know why.

Communism is manifestly a negative influence on mankind's well-being... don't know how anyone could rationally think otherwise (unless you grew up in a communist country and believe the propaganda).

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by FabHK on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:21PM (#23704002)
In particular as GP didn't even make a political statement about theoretical political systems whose veracity could be discussed on some abstract grounds, but made a personal statement about themselves and their direct experience.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by FabHK on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:30PM (#23704094)
This makes me wonder:

USSR : "The Gulag Archipelago" :: modern China : ?

Anyone got a suggestion for a well written modern book that exposes the sins of the CCP?

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by throw1997throw on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:06PM (#23703824)
> unless you grew up in a communist country

No, chances are the person who downvoted you is someone who never has actually lived in a communist country and likely did so from the comforts of an overpriced western coffee shop. They probably think they're an intellectual who wouldn't be first against the wall in such a situation.

Take the downvote with pride, since you're speaking truth to abuse.

Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by mnm1 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:30PM (#23704103)
Eastern bloc country. Grandfather tortured for being a priest after his house got confiscated and family ran out of town. My other grandfather had a similar experience but got his house back eventually. Constant persecution. Fear of anyone who was not family because they could be spies for the state. Food rationing. 6 day workweek. Bribe doctors so you don't die on the operating table and everyone else too. Can't read in public. Tons of censorship. I was very young and my family was doing well, the communist equivalent of middle class. Others had it much worse. Being a child I was shielded from a lot but children are not stupid. Imagine having murderous hate for your president at seven, eight years old. Education was quite good though, but I missed most of that. Highly doubt China much different in many respects from my visit there.
Re:Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents by muro on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:26PM (#23705412)
My grandfather spend time in jail as well (also a priest), in uranium mines. That was a favorite for "enemies of the state".

Apart from reading in public and murderous hate for the president, can relate to everything you wrote. Never been to China to comment.