Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI...
by nmfisher on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:02AM
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> Even now, it's not clear to me that this is the case. LeCun still hasn't actually acknowledged any of the broader ethical arguments Gebru made, either on twitter or on his followup posts on facebook.
Well, to be fair, she didn't provide Yann with any ethical arguments in this instance.
But being equally fair, you're right, I can't speak for Yann. I can only speak for myself, and I personally agree with most of what I've read of Gebru's work (though not all).
But the issue at hand wasn't the research itself - it's the way the dialogue was conducted on Twitter, and Gebru accounted for herself very poorly.
Re:Yann LeCun quits Twitter amid acrimonious exchanges on AI...
by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:32PM
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> Well, to be fair, she didn't provide Yann with any ethical arguments in this instance.
Yes and no. A lot of what I'm saying is directly from the tutorial she repeatedly suggested he watch. Because I took the time to watch it, because that's the reasonable thing to do when someone suggests that you aren't fully informed on a subject and suggests a resource to improve your understanding.
Even now, it's not clear to me that this is the case. LeCun still hasn't actually acknowledged any of the broader ethical arguments Gebru made, either on twitter or on his followup posts on facebook.
In fact, he makes no references to her research anywhere (beyond the vaguest "I value the research you're doing" in his apology tweet). I found that rather suspicious, I still do.
Like, having read through the entire conversation, I have no confidence that Yann could explain any of Timnit's research if asked about it, even in broad strokes. That's really, really weird given everything that happened.