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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by monocasa on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:45PM (#23694015)
Well my city and state has police destroying journalists' equipment, indiscriminately doing drivebys, and exploding a bystander's eye with a rubber bullet not shot according to the manufacturer's recommendations.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by celticninja on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:45PM (#23694009)
So confident in your statement you made a new account. Would you care to link some of the incidents that feel are not even close to police brutality? You could also make a PR to remove those.
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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by jakelazaroff on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:19PM (#23694320)
> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse

Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation.

> if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall

Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not been allergic" an acceptable defense?

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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by jakelazaroff on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:31PM (#23694438)
> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

If he was breaking the law, why did they assault him rather than arresting him?

Also, how do we know the orders were lawful?

> If you have a peanut allergy you shouldn't be hanging around in peanut factories looking for trouble (as the old guy was on video laughing earlier that day)

How is it relevant that he was laughing earlier?

The point is that it's incumbent on the police to determine the appropriate amount of force to use, not on civilians to retreat based on a worst–case scenario of what the police can do to them. They exist to serve us, not the other way around.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by nalllar on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:34PM (#23694464)
> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

Yes? If they're incapable of enforcing their orders without hurting people they should not be trying to enforce them.

It's bloody alien seeing Americans arguing over this sort of thing as if there's a context that makes hurting the people you're sworn to protect okay. The rest of the world seems to understand what the point of police is.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by monocasa on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @05:11PM (#23694826)
Well, one point is that police here aren't in fact sworn to protect members of the populace. The case law in federal court is that the police don't owe any individual a specific duty to protect them, and that "protect and serve" is a toothless slogan with no basis in law.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by monocasa on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:30PM (#23694424)
> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

I expect them to not shove the elderly onto concrete and then walk away as blood flows out of their ears.

That's not a high bar.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by renewiltord on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @05:50PM (#23695188)
Stipendium peccati mors est, eh? For a nation I love dearly for its stated stance on liberty, there is quite the undercurrent of authoritarianism here.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by jessaustin on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:52PM (#23694641)
...lawful orders...

This is a null category. Free people don't take orders from their employees.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by peroporque on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @07:47PM (#23696157)
In this day and age, it's a wise move to make a new account and protect your identity. Nobody wants their live destroyed ("canceled") for a comment. That's what it has become, and it will only get worse.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by inetknght on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:43PM (#23693974)
It's a git repository which accepts pull requests to crowdsource information. If you've got some ideas to improve it, then do so.

This repository is not junk.

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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by paulgb on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:49PM (#23694057)
There's a certain irony of accusing a crowdsourced repository of being junk because it's crowdsourced, with an anonymous account created seven minutes ago.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by mtgp1000 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:15PM (#23694289)
What, you think because it's crowdsourced it isn't liable to bias? You think they're going to accept a PR which attempts to remove multiple incidents, for any reason?
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by ianleeclark on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:50PM (#23694617)
You could always test this hypothesis of yours. Go, dig through the hours of footage of cops purposefully shooting journalists in the eyes, of them running protestors over, and of them confining protestors in corners only to repeatedly tear gas them.

I bet you might even find one that isn't brutality. So report it and see what happens.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by shuntress on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:28PM (#23694402)
Because it is open, the crowd will be able to look over pull requests and judge the reasoning/evidence put forth by the pull request to remove an incident as well as the reasons provided by maintainer for the PR's approval/rejection.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by dx87 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:43PM (#23694554)
We both know that's not going to happen. Just looks at the comments here; every comment that doesn't show unquestioning support is either flagged or grayed out. Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by shuntress on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:51PM (#23694632)
I saw at least one listing that was a link to a deleted tweet.

Feel free to prove yourself wrong by creating a pull request removing or marking that entry.

Or go through any of the other entries to find one that clearly demonstrates no wrongdoing. Write up a clear, concise, impartial explanation. I'm sure it will be given appropriate consideration.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by ianleeclark on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:58PM (#23694705)
> Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.

This is a good thing. You should be outraged. Emotions are okay to have and express.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by jakelazaroff on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:43PM (#23693981)
Can you share which city and state that is? For my own state (NY) all of the ones I looked at are legit.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by tehwebguy on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:43PM (#23693984)
Do they accept pull requests?
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by elygre on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:43PM (#23693978)
Which is your city and state?
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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by celticninja on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:46PM (#23694023)
You know they aren't being creepy, you made a claim, the only way to verify that is to look at the incidents you mention. Though you give no details do that is difficult, therefore the veracity of your claims cannot be considered, which is convenient... for you anyway.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by stonogo on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:45PM (#23694010)
You made an account to make vague and unsubstantiated accusations of "an agenda," then call protestors "communist street gangs"?

Can you please provide actual reference material to back up either the "agenda" claims or the communism stuff?

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Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by ilikehurdles on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:50PM (#23694061)
Why be concerned about your throwaway minutes-old profile with only comments in this one thread? It sounds more like you're afraid that your claim might get challenged.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by luckylion on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:04PM (#23694203)
> Why be concerned about your throwaway minutes-old profile with only comments in this one thread?

Not the parent, but that's a weird question. A throwaway account is used precisely because you don't want your main account (and your irl identity) to be associated with something that might get you in trouble.

Giving out information that can massively shrink the number of accounts that may be your real account is counter-productive in that regard.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by Larrikin on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:11PM (#23694248)
What possible attack vector is possible using just a city and throwaway account name? The accounts obviously a troll based on the attacks against other users when their claim is questioned.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by luckylion on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:17PM (#23694300)
The city alone will massively reduce the possibilities. As soon as you add any other information (political leanings, for example, as they're easy to guess), you can shrink it even more.

They may still be a troll, I'm just saying that being surprised that somebody doesn't want to divulge information when they've found it necessary to create a throwaway account is strange.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by mtgp1000 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:21PM (#23694337)
I'm not responding to this comment, just pointing out for anyone reading, that this person knows very well that he and his buddies won't be waiting with a "challenge" for anyone who attempts to publicly criticize BLM or the movement, but instead with a likely doxxing and unpersonning.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by stonogo on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:54PM (#23694101)
I didn't look at your profile. Maybe you're new to Hacker News, but new accounts show up highlighted in green. I merely read the two comments you posted here. I did look at the repo, for three cities with which I'm familiar, and couldn't reconstruct the claims you're making.

You needn't post examples from your city. If this database is as flawed as you claim you should be able to find examples that are not traceable to your information.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by kgraves on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:48PM (#23694041)
A BLM leader has openly admitted to being "trained marxists". [0] [1]

[0] https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herse...

[1] https://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8?t=52

All of this from a Google search.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by fzeroracer on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @05:45PM (#23695148)
What, exactly, does that have to do with an entirely separate repo showcasing police brutality?

I'm having trouble understanding your line of argument unless you're claiming conspiracy and that this repo is in fact being ran by secret marxists. Or that all of the protesters are actually marxists. Which is insanity.

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by phaemon on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:36PM (#23694491)
I've seen those before. So a basically unknown neo-marxist group gloms onto a grassroots movement. So what? Are you daft enough to think they speak for them now?

And, ffs, what does on earth does "trained marxist" even mean? I repeat my question: is it like a "trained capitalist"? If not, why not?

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by obiye27 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:49PM (#23694051)
And what is your problem with that?
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by kgraves on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:50PM (#23694058)
That proves that there is a hidden agenda within the black lives matter organisation.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by XMPPwocky on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:52PM (#23694081)
What organization?
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by obiye on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:57PM (#23694132)
If they openly state their desires, that is the opposite of being hidden.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by kgraves on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @06:51AM (#23700055)
The point is, people should know that they are supporting an organisation that has Marxist leaders.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by stonogo on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:52PM (#23694079)
Which one? Who trained them? Why? Where was this 'open admission'? What is their intended outcome?
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by Fellshard on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:59PM (#23694157)
A BLM /leader/, plus the claims the organization itself makes.
Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by kgraves on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:10PM (#23694242)
Yet, when I have provided recent evidence [0] in one of the comments, it gets gaslighted and flagged. Says it all really.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23694041

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by monocasa on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:16PM (#23694295)
What do you think "trained marxist" means, in practice?

Seriously, because Associate Professor in Community Organizing doesn't sound nearly as scary, does it?

Re:Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd... by kgraves on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @06:05AM (#23699810)
Do you think capitalism is racist?