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Re:EFF and heavyweight legal team will defend Internet Archi... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:34PM (#23693889)
> EFF is on the wrong side of both the law and common sense here and they will lose no matter how much they pay their legal team.

I don't understand how people have such certainty about this.

You have a situation where there are libraries who have bought millions of books from authors/publishers. The authors have been paid. Then, there is a pandemic and the libraries are closed, so the public has lost access to all the books they've paid for.

Giving them back access to the books they've paid for is obviously wrong? They're definitely going to lose?

It would be one thing if they had lent out more books than existed in all of the closed libraries, but is there any evidence that this is the case? That seems quite implausible, considering the massive number of books that have been paid for in all of those libraries.

Re:EFF and heavyweight legal team will defend Internet Archi... by myself248 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:34PM (#23694468)
It would've been interesting if they'd tried to compile a list of all the books that existed at all the closed libraries, and then only lent up to the limits of that list (which would continue to expand as more data were added), but I don't think anyone would argue that was practical to do at the time. The whole country can be shuttered at a moment's notice, compiling data like that takes tremendous effort.

However, in retrospect, I suspect the case might hinge on someone actually compiling that data. Did they, at any point, lend more copies of any particular title than existed at the time within all the shuttered libraries combined?

Re:EFF and heavyweight legal team will defend Internet Archi... by tluyben2 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @05:47PM (#23695166)
> compiling data like that takes tremendous effort.

It is a lifetime ago, but when I still went to the library in my country, about 27 years ago for the last time, there was already a system which had all books of all libaries at every library, where you could look up which copy of what book was in which library, how many of those author’s books all libraries had together etc. This was 27 years (and longer) ago; you are saying that, in 2020, I cannot press one button and get this info in all, at least, western countries?

That is pretty depressing if so.

Edit; come to think of it, it must be longer ago as I tried to copy (the UI and functionality without networking of) that system for my own books at home on my MSX; I stopped using that system when I got an Amiga more than 30 years ago.

Re:EFF and heavyweight legal team will defend Internet Archi... by dingaling on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:56PM (#23694679)
> Giving them back access to the books they've paid for is obviously wrong?

That's a weak argument. Buses were parked but I couldn't just go and take one from the yard for a journey despite having 'paid' for it from public funds.

Re:EFF and heavyweight legal team will defend Internet Archi... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @06:33PM (#23695555)
Fair use applies to copyright and not buses.