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Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by adrr on Monday June 29, 2020 @10:10PM (#23685773)
Apple Pay charges a fee as well. It also isn’t a payment system but a tokenization system similar to the chip on credit cards. Zelle was created by the big bank which is why you don’t see it at the small local banks. None of the competitor banks(fintech) have zelle support and I guess this isn’t their choice. They have to move money by ach with is much slower.

Any payment/money movement system needs a license and you’re still bound by federal rules on AML and KYC. It makes it hard to support the cannabis industry. AML laws will force you to report large cash movements.

Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by kalleboo on Monday June 29, 2020 @10:59PM (#23686035)
They may be referring to Apple Pay Cash, which is an iMessage-based venmo style service where you cash out via ACH or pay in stores using your Cash balance.
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by conductr on Monday June 29, 2020 @11:13PM (#23686120)
Small banks can integrate zelle, it’s their choice they’re not being locked out
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by adrr on Monday June 29, 2020 @11:48PM (#23686346)
0.75 per transaction locks out the small banks. It would be the most expensive way to transfer money.
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by conductr on Thursday July 02, 2020 @10:27PM (#23720497)
I wasn’t aware of the cost TBH. I guess they can always develop their own zelle substitutes if they feel it’s worth it, not sure the economics of that are in their favor. Just saying you can’t ignore the upfront investment the builders put into creating and maintaining it while also pointing to the unit costs they charge the network partners. I’m sure it’s all negotiable with volume.
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by monadic2 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @09:25AM (#23689721)
Uhh my bank’s $30 to wire fee would beg to differ. Literally any fee less than that for a same-day transfer is worth it.
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by adrr on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:15AM (#23690205)
That’s what the banks pay to use zelle.

The $30 wire fee is what a bank charges you to make money and dependent on the bank. Underlying systems near free to use like ach for domestic wires.

Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by monadic2 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @07:39AM (#23700351)
My point is the bank could easily pass the cost onto the customer.
Re:Forget Google, time to end the Visa-MasterCard duopoly by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:12AM (#23686477)
Zelle is just a facade on top of ACH.