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Re:YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer... by golf1052 on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:05PM (#23684490)
Yeah it's kind of shocking to see people defend white nationalist speech on private platforms. Of all the marginalized groups out there why does the group that advocates for the discrimination, removal, or even genocide of historically discriminated and murdered people (black people, indigenous people, Jewish people) need defending?
Re:YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer... by istorical on Monday June 29, 2020 @10:25PM (#23685861)
people aren't defending these things. they are defending this 'slippery slope' idea that if you give companies the power and support them in banning content based off of ideological stuff, then you risk that 'bannable' content threshold slowly growing.

it's literally a straw man to imply people are focused on individuals in this situation, they are just worried about precedent and the future.

Re:YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer... by golf1052 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @03:16AM (#23687512)
No private platform, even those that claimed to be a "bastion of free speech" [1] when they were first created has ever not banned for ideological stuff. Back in 2015 this same discussion came up [2]. 5 years later we're still worried about sliding down the slope. What is too far? Hating fat people? Hating trans people? Hating black people? Should a private platform allow it all even though people supporting those views actively harm people?

And we can even see what happens when platforms try to truly allow all speech. Voat [3 NSFW] is a good example, Gab is another example. The worst content takes over and your platform gets rejected by most of the world. Way before reddit banned the_donald they had to specifically delist it from the front page because awful content would end up being the first thing people saw. [4]

I also don't expect that Youtube or reddit or Twitter would end up banning all ideological content, religious videos will not get banned one day, discussing electoral politics will not get banned one day, we're not going to slide off the slope because the slope isn't there.

1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/02/reddit-c... 2. https://www.theverge.com/2015/7/15/8964995/reddit-free-speec... 3. NSFW: https://voat.co/ 4: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/30/13797712/reddit-trump-th...

Re:YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer... by rickbutton on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:13PM (#23684547)
While those who defend them may disagree, defending white supremacy is in itself white supremacy. They defend it because they believe it.

The thing that still continues to shock me is that there are people here that argue on behalf of white supremacists but still argue that they themselves are not, instead they are playing "devils advocate". At some point, let's call a duck a duck.

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Re:YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer... by rickbutton on Monday June 29, 2020 @07:19PM (#23684597)
Are you seriously comparing the struggle of Jews in Nazi Germany to white supremacists being deplatformed in America?

If you are, you should really take a step back and evaluate the gravity of that statement.

Edit: Saw your edit. You can usually click the timestamp to reply when there is no reply button.

Thank you for the clarification. I'll repeat my previous statement because it still applies, I can tell that you simply don't grasp the gravity of your statement. It is -hilarious- to be called a nazi for calling for white supremacists to be deplatformed. I think I might print this out and put it in my cube (when I eventually get back into the office). Turns out, I was the Nazi the whole time, not the white supremacists! /s

Edit, again: For the readers, he edited-in, and then edited-out, calling me a Nazi for saying that white supremacists shouldn't have a platform. Just wanted to make that clear.

Edit, again, again: I did understand your point, I just refuse to engage with it, because it is ridiculous.

Edit, again, again, again. This edit-back-and-forth is funny, but I have to go now. I sincerely hope that you do some research and realize that your defense of white supremacists only entrenches them into our culture further. I hope that one day, you look back on your views here, and realize that you truly did not have to defend them, but chose to anyway.