"White" is a catch-all term for light-skinned ethnic groups with "defaultness" in American society. There is no such thing as "white history," "white heritage," or "white culture," except in opposition to "non-default" ethnic groups.

If you change the founding principle to "we want our community to be largely Russian," that would be totally fine by me.

Additionally, opposition to the "largely black" founding principle implies opposition to women-only spaces and other community groupings that are largely accepted in society.

You're literally grouping all dark skin individuals into a group saying they share the same heritage and culture when they don't.

I think this is a copout answer. "White" usually refers to people of European heritage who have lighter skin in America.

What do generic "Europeans" have in common with each other? As a Russian, I feel like my culture overlaps relatively little with French, German, or English. Moreover, which parts of "Europe" are actually included in this taxonomy? Are Romani considered white? What about Southern Italians? Black people in France? It all boils down to "people of European heritage with white skin (whose ancestors wrote books and stuff that I like)," which is wishy-washy and tautological.

We have a culture in common which encompasses languages, religion, music, architecture, food, etc.

I've only ever heard that question asked about us Europeans, for some reason.

Not sure about whites and blacks in the US, but as far as genetics are concerned, (black) Africans have far more genetic diversity than (white) Europeans.

Africans enslaved in America effectively had their original cultures denied and destroyed. That's why it's appropriate to capitalize Black but not white when referring to American subcultures. (Whiteness isn't genetic. E.g. in South Africa under apartheid Chinese people were legally black but Japanese people were legally white.)

Various whites had their cultures denied and destroyed as well. By your logic White should capitalized as well.

Which "various whites" specifically?

Slavs where taken as slaves and is where the word slave derives from.

We capitalize "Slavs".

(FWIW, Slavic culture didn't originate with the enslaved Slavs.)

Then we should also capitalize White as well as Black.

That doesn't make sense. There is no one "White" culture, so when you capitalize the word in the context of United States of America it refers to the KKK et. al., not to mainstream American culture, which developed in waves of lots of different cultures (not all of which are European-derived.) E.g. the Irish. Treated like shit when they first got here, now we have St. Patrick's Day parades. And so we have Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Chinese-Americans, and so on. They kept their cultures.

Now when we talk about African-Americans you gotta remember that Africa is a huge continent, not a single nation or culture. The people who were kidnapped, beaten, chained, subjected to the horrors of the Middle Passage, then treated like subhumans for hundreds of years, they came from many different cultures, they were forcibly prevented from carrying those with them, and so they have formed a new culture, native to the soil of this continent. That's why it's appropriate to capitalize the word "Black" when referring to Black American culture: it's a proper noun.

When you speak of "white people" in America, you're generally referring to the whole American mainstream culture, which is neither genetically nor culturally Caucasian exclusively. The word "White" capitalized as a proper noun refers to a specific complex of "White supremacist" culture.

In sum:

Black - African American

white - Mainstream American (includes everybody: The fictional character Steven Quincy Urkel could be called "white" in this sense.)

White - racist American subculture

>That doesn't make sense. There is no one "White" culture,

There is no one "Black" culture either.

>so when you capitalize the word in the context of United States of America it refers to the KKK et. al., not to mainstream American culture

And yet if you capitalize Black it doesn't mean black supremacists?

Why do you hold different standards to white and black?

>which developed in waves of lots of different cultures (not all of which are European-derived.) E.g. the Irish. Treated like shit when they first got here, now we have St. Patrick's Day parades.

St. Patrick's Day is not specifically an Irish holiday. It is a Christian holiday which is popular amongst Irish.

>And so we have Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Chinese-Americans, and so on. They kept their cultures.

There are many blacks who kept their cultures as well. Not all blacks were slaves. Many voluntarily migrated to the US.

>Now when we talk about African-Americans you gotta remember that Africa is a huge continent, not a single nation or culture.

You are contradicting yourself. You said "There is no one "White" culture, so when you capitalize the word in the context of United States of America it refers to the KKK" and yet you also admit there is no single "Black" culture.

>The people who were kidnapped, beaten, chained, subjected to the horrors of the Middle Passage, then treated like subhumans for hundreds of years, they came from many different cultures, they were forcibly prevented from carrying those with them, and so they have formed a new culture, native to the soil of this continent.

Not all blacks living in the US were slaves.

>That's why it's appropriate to capitalize the word "Black" when referring to Black American culture: it's a proper noun.

But there is no single black culture. You yourself said that white should not be capitalized because there isn't a single culture.

>When you speak of "white people" in America, you're generally referring to the whole American mainstream culture, which is neither genetically nor culturally Caucasian exclusively.

When I say white people I mean white people. I don't mean anything else. I don't mean culture. If I meant culture I would say culture.

I have never seen anybody saying anything different than I said. Please provide examples of mainstream people using the the phrase differently.

>The word "White" capitalized as a proper noun refers to a specific complex of "White supremacist" culture.

You haven't proven that.

I feel like I was really clear. We don't agree, obviously, but I don't want to argue about it with you any more, so I'm going to go ahead and let you have the last word.

I agree it's a bit wishy-washy. But that's what it means. Everyone (in the U.S.) when they say whites, they pretty much always mean anyone with white skin who have European heritage.

Yup, so even if some poor Croatian guy just got off the boat, as long as he looked white enough for Americans, some of them would say he benefited from American slavery of blacks and must renounce his white privilege.

Regardless of your origin or connection to American history, I think it's healthy and socially responsible to face your "default privilege." The point isn't to feel guilty, but to become fully aware of the social structures underpinning your country, and to develop a sense of empathy for those who are forced to consider their skin color every day of the year when you can go weeks without even thinking about it. (And I say this as a first-generation immigrant.)

In any case, this has little to do with the original topic of establishing a black-focused community.

Spend his whole life being taught about white privilege and is never allowed to say that he understands so he has to get re-educated all the time. If he says he has already heard it before and understands then he is obviously a racist Nazi Trump supporter and must violently be re-educated about his white privilege.

Are black people not allowed to have their own communities?