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Re:A new theory about political polarization by rayiner on Monday June 29, 2020 @01:53PM (#23680143)
> It ultimately ends in total polarization," illustrates co-author David Garcia (CSH and MedUni Vienna). Not only do people categorically favor or oppose single issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and nuclear energy. "If they are pro-choice, they are at the same time highly likely to be for gay marriage, against the use of nuclear energy, for the legalization of marijuana, and so on," says Garcia. The possible variety of combinations of different opinions is reduced to the traditional left-right split.

This is an interesting observation, because while we think of all these things as related ideologically, they aren’t necessarily. For example, both Denmark and New Zealand have liberal new Prime Ministers who are women, pro-LGBT, pro-welfare state, and quite strongly anti-immigration. (New Zealand’s PM, Jacinda Ardern, has received very positive media coverage in the U.S., but is part of a ruling coalition with the “New Zealand First” Party, such that her deputy PM is an anti-immigration right-winger.) So the issues on which the “left” and “right” have formed coalitions aren’t necessarily ideological but are to some extent the artifact of history.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by commandlinefan on Monday June 29, 2020 @02:24PM (#23680608)
> we think of all these things as related ideologically, they aren’t necessarily.

I have to fight this tendency in myself: I'm as anti-liberal as they come, but I do happen to agree with a handful of "liberal" positions such as abortion, drug legalization and immigration. But from time to time I catch myself disagreeing with the messenger so much I almost forget I actually agree with the message.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by throwaway6274 on Monday June 29, 2020 @02:45PM (#23680915)
How strange, as I’m the opposite. I’m about as anti-conservative as they come: UBI, legalize almost everything, universal healthcare and insurance, but I’m extremely against abortion.
Re:A new theory about political polarization by jawns on Monday June 29, 2020 @04:42PM (#23682719)
You are in an unenviable position, because the Democratic Party has all but said that you can't be both a Democrat and pro-life.

There is a minor party called the American Solidarity Party that is a little more of a mix, similar to Christian democratic parties in Europe. They oppose abortion and the death penalty but support universal health care, environmental protections, stricter regulation of financial markets, etc.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by throwaway6274 on Monday June 29, 2020 @05:17PM (#23683193)
> You are in an unenviable position

Yep, it doesn’t seem to be a common position, for sure.

I have heard of the American Solidarity Party and like some of their viewpoints, but I think that any consenting adults should be able to have a relationship (and the corresponding legal benefits). I also don’t like the religious motivations behind many of the arguments of the ASP; my views against abortion are secular in nature, and I think the religious arguments probably hurt the pro-life movement as a whole.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by mywittyname on Monday June 29, 2020 @05:21PM (#23683248)
It's possible to be against abortion and be willing to compromise on it because there are much more important issues for you to consider.

Political parties like to pretend they have monopolies on certain positions, but that's just wrong. You'll find lots of gay rights-supporting Republicans and a whole mess of pro-gun Democrats. Some voters are rational enough to realize that they should put more weight on the issues that directly effect them than the nice-to-have emotional stuff that doesn't.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:01PM (#23683772)
There should be "Real Solidarity Party" which takes no position other than to be favor of ranked choice voting (or similar).

Without this, it makes absolutely no difference what the platform is of the Greens, the Libertarians, the Solidarity Party, or any other 3rd party: they can only work as spoilers in an election.

Get us to an electoral system in which the winning D or R candidate is faced with knowing that 40% of their vote came from people whose first choice was the Communo-Anarchist Party, and another 10% from people who preferred the "White Power Now" party, and you're going to see a totally different sort of politics.

Re:A new theory about political polarization by jcims on Monday June 29, 2020 @04:40PM (#23682681)
I wonder if we just spent a single term governing by referendum where we would land. It’s probably not sustainable but it might be interesting to see what surfaces.
Re:A new theory about political polarization by jawns on Monday June 29, 2020 @04:36PM (#23682595)
It sounds like you lean libertarian. Do you identify that way, or do you consider yourself a conservative?
Re:A new theory about political polarization by commandlinefan on Monday June 29, 2020 @05:18PM (#23683210)
I've voted libertarian in every U.S. election since 1996, so there's that ; )
Re:A new theory about political polarization by loopz on Monday June 29, 2020 @01:57PM (#23680220)
When ideas and opinions are heavily correlated, it's a sign of unhealthy coordination and lack of democracy. Voter turnover is not enough, you also need informed decisionmaking and true representation.
Re:A new theory about political polarization by Barrin92 on Monday June 29, 2020 @02:01PM (#23680263)
one also needs to be careful with terms such as being "anti-immigration" in relative context.

For example even the Danish right-wing populists, in 2016, supported Clinton over Trump[1]. Same for Germany's AfD, a party that in Germany has evoked comparisons to our not so democratic past, but their immigration policy is by their own declaration "a Canada style merit based system". New Zealand, with a quarter of the population being immigrants, has much higher immigration levels relatively than the US, and events like the migrant crisis tend to temporarily create more extreme responses given how small the country is.

[1]https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/559/90/sites/default/fi...