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Re:Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode by iLemming on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:44PM (#23673606)
You have to understand that Spacemacs, Doom, ErgoEmacs, Prelude, etc. are not products. They are collections of recipes. And bare-bone Emacs is not a product either. Emacs is a kitchen where you use Lisp to bake your own editor/IDE/frankensteinian toy. Using Spacemacs or Doom doesn't liberate you from learning Lisp and Emacs internals.
Re:Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode by mercer on Monday June 29, 2020 @03:21AM (#23675264)
> Using Spacemacs or Doom doesn't liberate you from learning Lisp and Emacs internals.

Yes it does, for me anyways, for the most part. While I definitely plan to dive deeper, I'm using plenty of Emacs stuff via Spacemacs, and I've customized plenty of stuff by copy/pasting incomprehensible elisp snippets.

Re:Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode by iLemming on Monday June 29, 2020 @06:20PM (#23684009)
It does in the beginning. But if you want to become a serious Emacsen, it's better to learn some emacs-lisp.
Re:Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode by mercer on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:51AM (#23688085)
Sure, but 'using' Spacemacs is still perfectly possible without learning Lisp and Emacs internals. I use magit, orgmode, tramp, and I'm in Emacs for significant chunks of the day. I'd say that doesn't only mean that I'm a proper 'user' of Emacs, but that I'm pretty serious about it!

Of course as a Lisp weenie I do intend to dive into Emacs and honestly part of the reason I don't is that I'm afraid I'll end up spending way too much time diving and tinkering.