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Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Sunday June 28, 2020 @11:39AM (#23669496)
1. Referring to them as just "different politics" covers up the hateful, violent ideologies we're talking about.

2. Wanting them to be banned from a particular platform isn't a general ban on communication. Private communities are under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by ccatty on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:16PM (#23669796)
The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only. What this is, despite pretending otherwise, is an exercise of a form of state power. When exercised against a nation, we recognize it as a sanction. But when exercised against an individual, it is something different. In reality, there is no practical difference between this and state censorship in China.

Personally, I don't object to this kind of power in principle, I just think that it is used in the wrong direction in the United States. Rather than being used to target and remove individuals who promote instability, it has been used to target and remove individuals who promote stability. Much of the United States now believes property destruction is acceptable if it achieves honorable ends.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by TulliusCicero on Sunday June 28, 2020 @03:10PM (#23671234)
> The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only.

No, they're completely the actions of private companies.

It turns out, private companies exist in a mostly-shared culture and often have similar ideas about how to behave. Currently -- thank god -- deplatforming blatant bigots is generally agreed upon as A Good Thing. No conspiracy here, just good sense.

> Rather than being used to target and remove individuals who promote instability, it has been used to target and remove individuals who promote stability.

Seriously? White supremacists are now "individuals who promote stability"?

> Much of the United States now believes property destruction is acceptable if it achieves honorable ends.

I mean, yeah, the US has always believed that. The country had basically two starting points, after all: stealing the natives' land, and then later on destroying property as part of a protest.

Re:Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets ... by ccatty on Sunday June 28, 2020 @08:05PM (#23673083)
> It turns out, private companies exist in a mostly-shared culture and often have similar ideas about how to behave. Currently -- thank god -- deplatforming blatant bigots is generally agreed upon as A Good Thing. No conspiracy here, just good sense.

It currently is recognized as a good thing, but it wasn't before. Before the consensus was "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." That said, a consensus cannot be defended simply because it has previously existed.

> Seriously? White supremacists are now "individuals who promote stability"?

I'm talking about people who opposed defunding the police. In a healthy society, people who supported defunding the police would have been fired from their jobs and sanctioned, but the opposite has happened. 'White supremacy' has been redefined to include fundamental state structures that are required for the functioning of society.

> I mean, yeah, the US has always believed that. The country had basically two starting points, after all: stealing the natives' land, and then later on destroying property as part of a protest.

The United States does not need to justify its existence. Almost every nation in existence today was formed on the backs of millions of deaths, and most of the natives died through communicable disease that was inevitably spread once any european landed on the North American shores. The only major mistakes the United States ever made were 1) allowing the establishment of slavery in North America and 2) trying to spread 'freedom and democracy' around the world.

Otherwise, the United States is responsible for almost all fundamental technology that the developed world employs and may (hopefully) be responsible for spreading human life to another planet. If the latter happens, then that alone justifies the sins of the United States.