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Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by sysrpl on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:27AM (#23668902)
Why did the chicken cross the road?

The next time someone asks you this question, you can give them the following answer.

The question "Why did the chicken cross the road" is invalid. It is invalid because "why" assumes that the chicken had some reason for taking the action "cross the road". This, in turn, assumes that the chicken has the concept of "road"; after all, if the chicken doesn't know that the road is there, then the chicken did not - from the chickens point of view - cross the road, and consequently it is meaningless to ask for its motivations for doing so.

Since chicken is an animal, it is unlikely that it has the concept of road in the same sense than humans do; since it is a bird, whose ancestors were propably capable of flight in the near past, it is unlikely to have the concept of road in any sense - why would a flying bird need roads?

Therefore, the chicken can never have any motivation for crossing the road, since from the chickens point of view, it never does any such thing. It simply moves from one point to another, and these points happen to be on the opposite side of a flat area of ground. No road-crossing has happened.

Think of it this way: if you walk over a scent trail left by some animal, and you don't know that the trail is there, it is foolish to ask your motives of crossing that trail. One can ask your motives for walking in the first place, but the crossing was pure coincidence and not something you chose.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by baddox on Sunday June 28, 2020 @12:26PM (#23669880)
> "why" assumes that the chicken had some reason for taking the action "cross the road".

I don’t think so. It’s pretty normal to ask “why” questions about non-conscious entities. “Why does my stomach hurt?” “Why is the sky blue?” And so on.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cgriswald on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:04PM (#23670216)
Does a chicken have consciousness? If so, when talking about conscious beings, are we using why in the sense that we use it when asking why the sky is blue?
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by baddox on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:31PM (#23670431)
I don’t think it even necessarily matters whether the chicken is sufficiently conscious. If we asked “why does the chicken have a red comb?” it would be clear we weren’t asking for an explanation of the chicken’s conscious choices.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cgriswald on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:10PM (#23670766)
Sure, but I think if I ask “Why did you do that?” I’m specifically asking for an explanation related to your consciousness rather than a physical explanation. That’s a different sort of question than “Why are you six feet tall?”

I asked if chickens are conscious because, if the chicken is conscious (or at least if the question asker believes they are) than we’re asking the first sort of question and it may or may not be fair to call that question invalid based on a chicken’s conscious understanding and sysrpl’s reasoning.

If it’s not, then we can only reasonably ask the second kind of question and I agree it wouldn’t be “invalid” to do so.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by cgriswald on Sunday June 28, 2020 @01:10PM (#23670278)
Do I have to have the same understanding of a road as you do to intentionally cross it? Maybe my understanding is only “the thing that makes me feet hot when I walk on it.” I can still make a conscious decision whether I want to get my feet hot in order to accomplish something on the other side.
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by jameshart on Sunday June 28, 2020 @10:37AM (#23668973)
Tl;dr: to get to the other side
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by 082349872349872 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @11:10AM (#23669242)
The blood sport connection makes me wonder "when the chicken crossed the road[1], what was his entrance music?"

"He's constantly confusing, confounding, won't throw the towel / Everyone give it up for America's favourite fighting fowl"

[1] a "road" might also be a sea route, but it looks like land-based roads predate seaborne trade by several thousand years.

Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by daseiner1 on Sunday June 28, 2020 @08:05PM (#23673080)
if this was intended as an anti-joke, good work. if you’re being sincere, good god man lighten up
Re:The chicken first crossed the road in Southeast Asia, lan... by kumarharsh on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:30PM (#23670940)
I think it'd be easier to reply "I don't know" than killing the party with this answer.