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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by sergeykish on Saturday June 27, 2020 @09:32PM (#23666123)
Have you red it? My point by marshal USSR Georgy Zhukov on Moscow Victory Parade of 1945 [1]:

> By the combined efforts of the great powers of the USSR, USA, UK fascist Germany was defeated in the ashes

That victory was rebirth of USSR. Heroes returned home, no way to rule them as before. But wounds were not allowed to heal, 9 May become day of "we were attacked, still plenty of enemies around". Russians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Georgians, Moldovan (and many others) fought together. USSR attacked Czechoslovakia, Russia attacked Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

Somehow your counterexample is loss and contribution. I never said there was not.

> "turning the tide for the Russians^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H USSR"

By USSR census Russians 53%, Ukrainians 21%, even Slavs would be incorrect - 78%. Census 1937 [3] was not published because of the man-made famine [4] consequences. Official position - there was no such thing.

Hardly anyone knows about occupation of Poland [5], Baltic states [6] and War with Finland [7].

Could they have won war alone? No. Germans occupied a lot of industrial territories with Blitzkrieg, not enough time to restart factories [8]. Without support there would be no Moscow and Stalingrad. There would be guerilla war but that's not enough.

Back to topic. In Russia it is believed that after taking Berlin soldiers should have fought Allies. That's liberation war for you.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gzZoVm-joc&t=20m23s

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1926)

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%...

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_state...

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_in_the_Soviet_Union

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by andrea_s on Sunday June 28, 2020 @02:15AM (#23667060)
> Back to topic. In Russia it is believed that after taking Berlin soldiers should have fought Allies. That's liberation war for you.

And they were not the only ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by sergeykish on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:11AM (#23667613)
Sure there were war plans then and from both sides. But those in command understood what could and could not be done. Soviet soldiers knew about allies - both as force and support (food, trucks etc). It was liberation war, it is not clear would they turn weapons on allies or stupid rulers.

I mean today, when hardly any solder left alive.

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by gdy on Sunday June 28, 2020 @04:06AM (#23667390)
"In Russia it is believed that after taking Berlin soldiers should have fought Allies."

[Citation needed]

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by sergeykish on Sunday June 28, 2020 @05:32AM (#23667668)
It is hard to cite what is in the air. I am transcribing what was programmed by state media. It was generally believed that we could. And how big our country is a treasure by itself. So we should. Liberated countries owe use and should live just as we are, otherwise they are traitors.

Some facts - signs "On Berlin" (На Берлин) [1]? Anyone else want this war again?

But best mark is the leader support [2]:

> In January 2013, at the time of 2011–2013 Russian protests, Putin's approval rating fell to 62%, the lowest figure since 2000 and a ten-point drop over two years. By May 2014, following the annexation of Crimea, Putin's approval rating had rebounded to 85.9%, a six-year high.

... improved after aggression on "brother Slavs", war in neighboring country, tanked economy [3], [4].

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_(2014...

[4] https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by gdy on Sunday June 28, 2020 @09:56AM (#23668700)
You are not making sense.

Nothing in what you have written has any relation to your statement: "In Russia it is believed that after taking Berlin soldiers should have fought Allies".

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by sergeykish on Sunday June 28, 2020 @11:01AM (#23669163)
So you do not understand that country leader makes a crime against his people. Puts relatives on different sides of war. That response to his actions programmed by schools and state owned media.

That Germans resolved this conflict and leave on. And Russians cling for their only perceived superiority as war machine like there is nothing else to be proud of. Like it is zero sum game - their own victory and noones else.

You are not alone - their is entire country.

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Re:Sensors detect rise in nuclear particles on Baltic Sea by gdy on Sunday June 28, 2020 @07:18PM (#23672811)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23668700
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